I%26#039;ve done tae kwon do for a few years and I%26#039;ve been wondering, martial arts works with a set of rules, and except ones like muay thai the practice is mostly about form and stuff, and there%26#039;re also laws during sparring. It also seems that everyone%26#039;s pretty laid back and taking it easy while training. Would someone practising this be able to take on thugs who most likely have more experience in really fighting? What kind of practice would ya recommend for real situations?|||That%26#039;s a very good question. It shows that you have a working head on your shoulders to question whether kata/poomse training would actually work in a fight. And you%26#039;re definitely on to something when you make mention of %26#039;thugs who have experience in really fighting.%26#039;
As for the answer... martial arts CAN come in handy for a real fight, but that really depends on how they%26#039;ve been trained. Ones that involve regular hard sparring tend to have good results.
You could compare fighting to a sport -- basketball, for instance. The only way to get good at playing the actual game is to do it.
If you practice shooting, you can get good at shooting. Does that mean that you%26#039;re good at basketball? No. It means that you%26#039;re good at one component of it. I%26#039;m good at shooting, but when I%26#039;m actually moving around and have people defending the hoop, it%26#039;s a different story. To get good at basketball, I need to work against resisting players.
Kata and whatnot is shooting hoops. You%26#039;re practicing kicks, punches, blocks, etc in a isolated manner. You learn how to kick, how to punch, and how to block. You know the techniques, but pulling them off is a different story. In order to land strikes, you need a good grasp of timing and distance. The same is true for blocking. In order to perform your techniques on a non-compliant opponent, you need to spar.
But is that enough? Can I make it to the NBA if I%26#039;m amazing at 1 on 1 streetball? Not necessarily. I still need to learn how to work with and against an entire team of people. I may have gotten good at playing against ONE resisting opponent, but there are still more facets to basketball that I have yet to master.
So, say that you spar... That%26#039;s good. You%26#039;ll build your timing, distancing, etc with your punches and kicks. That%26#039;s good, and will help you a lot. Yet there is more to fighting than punches and kicks. How good is a kick when somebody is grabbing you? How helpful is a punch when somebody%26#039;s on top of you? To be an effective fighter, you need to learn every aspect of fighting. That includes striking, wrestling, and ground fighting. Heck, if you%26#039;re thorough about self-defense training, you ought to learn weapons and multiple opponents as well.
Long story short, sparring is a MUST for learning how to fight. There should also be at least semi-frequent hard sparring, so that you can get used to working under real pressure and pain. The more realistic the sparring is, the better. Rules should only be for safety (no eye gouging, groin stuff, etc)
If you do want to train %26#039;dirty fighting (and that%26#039;s not a bad idea),%26#039; don%26#039;t settle for compliant drilling. You NEED to practice it in sparring. The way to do that is to get the appropriate safety equipment. Work groin strikes (with appropriate force) only if you guys are wearing cups. Work eye gouges with safety goggles.
Find other people who have similar interest in learning how to fight realistically. Find people to train with you who have experience in areas that you don%26#039;t (like grappling or weapons).|||Go to youtube and watch Keysi promo videos.
TKD isnt a practical technique in a real fight. i agree with the guy above me, but to add to the list Keysi. look it up.|||The average TKD fighter........nope, but if you ever took up ballet, yes!. :)
It all depends on your training, if you%26#039;ve been taught the usual MCDojo WTF style TKD. I feel sorry for you in a real fight. A real fight is mostly punching and then its straight to the ground if your punches aren%26#039;t effective enough..........no chance for your spinning roundhouse.|||Every martial art can be utilized for self defense, below i have organized the strengths and weaknesses of certain martial arts.
Karate: Lots of focus on Katas (pre-arranged %26quot;forms%26quot; of movements. Some sparring, but it%26#039;s mostly low contact %26quot;point%26quot; style sparring, with protective gear (Kyokushinkai is one of those exceptions to the generalization here, as they spar full contact - until knock down or knockout, with no protection, but with no punches to the head). Lots of time doing traditional stances, kicks, reverse punches, etc. I%26#039;m not so sure this is very effective in self defense situations, as many of the techniques are very ritualized, and unrealistic.
Tae Kwon Do: Same as Karate, except much greater focus on high kicks. Even less realistic for defense than Karate.
Japanese Ju-jitsu: Focus on stand up grappling, wrist locks, escapes from grabs and chokes, many throws and falls. Has the same ritualized formal practice as Karate - lots of practice against an un-resisting, unmoving attacker than grabs and then freezes, or punches then freezes. Some punches and kicks thrown in, but just a few. I%26#039;m not sure this is so great against a resisting, moving opponent - mainly because the practice methods don%26#039;t allow practice in that sort of situation. The techniques are more realistic than Karate, but I%26#039;m not so sure all of them are usable in real life. Since you don%26#039;t have to punch or kick to fight or repel and attack, this is ideal for use against someone you don%26#039;t want to hurt - a drunken uncle at a party for instance. Against a determined attacker, I feel some of the primary techniques are less useful.
Aikido: Similar to Japanese Ju-jitsu, but more focus on flowing with an attackers force. More philosophy, less %26quot;hard%26quot; techniques. I think most of the criticisms of Japanese Ju-jitsu apply here as well.
Hapkido: About 80% Tae Kwon Do, and 20% Ju-Jitsu. Same observations of those arts apply.
Judo: Has many of the techniques of Japanese Ju-Jitsu, but has many of the %26quot;deadly%26quot; techniques removed. By taking out the punches, kicks, wrist locks, etc. you are left with some techniques that are safe to be used in a sport. Lots of throws, falls, trips, and groundwork. Most of the practice is against a resisting, moving opponent.
If you can throw someone who is expecting it, and has trained in resisting it who is REALLY trying to stop you - then the odds are really good you can throw some guy in a fight who doesn%26#039;t expect it. Its weakness is that it is missing striking, and maybe some of the %26quot;deadly%26quot; techniques that might really be useful.
Western Boxing: Since you are practicing against someone actively resisting, as in Judo - the training has great value for actual self defense. The weakness is that only the hands are used, there is no grappling or kicking. Also, much of the body isn%26#039;t a valid target. It%26#039;s also worth saying that the transition from wearing gloves (and fighting someone wearing gloves) is a big one.
External Kung Fu: There are many styles that fall into this category, and there are some big differences between them. There are ones that focus on punching and kicking, and others that include techniques similar to Ju-Jitsu (or you could say Ju-Jitsu has techniques similar to them). It%26#039;s worth pointing out that Karate is basically a Japanese version of an Okinawan version of certain external Kung Fu styles.
There are forms as in Karate, and some schools practice sparring as in Karate. The techniques are a bit different of course. Kung Fu in general is a bit %26quot;softer%26quot; with more circular motion, and flowing stances, versus the linear movement of Karate. Of course, that%26#039;s a generalization - some styles are very similar to Karate. Some styles such as Wing Chun focus on %26quot;trapping%26quot; which involves hampering and controlling an opponents arm so as to facilitate striking, and to prevent them from striking you. Other arts, such as Chin-na focus on grappling, pressure points, and locks as seen in Japanese Ju-jitsu. I feel that many of the same critisms of Karate and Japanese Ju-jitsu apply here.
Internal Kung Fu: Tai Chi Chuan is the best know style in this category. The other styles are Hsing-I, and Ba Gua. The focus is on training the generation of Qi (life force or energy), and the application of Jing (the manifestation of power through the use of Qi). The idea being that this energy is generated internally to the body, rather than through gross muscle movements as in Karate. Practice involves slow practice of forms, drills such as %26quot;sticky hands%26quot;, and basically pushing a partner. There are punches, kicks and other strikes of course - but the emphasis is on the power coming from the Internal methods. There isn%26#039;t much sparring that I have seen. It would seem that these arts don%26#039;t have a lot of application in actual self defense.
Muay Thai: This art has western style boxing punches, elbow and knee strikes, and kicking. This is practiced as a sport, so many of the positive comments related to boxing would apply here as well. In my opinion this style has the most effective kicks of any Style - utilizing a very powerful round type kicks to the leg as a common target area.
(best answer please)|||TKD would help in a fighting situation, but their is no set rule to fighting thugs especially if they know what they are doing. If it happens to be a trained street thug you have a 50/50 chance of not being hurt if you know yourself and your limitations any martial arts style can be used if done effectivley by the individual. That is depending on the amount of skill you have and what your capable of doing. Realisticly I would have to agree with the person who said that you should train with someone who has the skills you lack. And don%26#039;t be afraid to step in and use throwing,trapping,low kicks and grappling. try to incorperate chin na.....|||Sure is better than watching TV, in a fight you can surprise your opposition, by not showing training until they commit, if you get advantage keep it.|||Would a rifle come in handy if you went hunting? Think about it and im sure you can draw your own conclussions. At the very least you could learn some HIYAAAAS to strike fear in your opponents heart...LMAO|||Yes but it depends on your opponent see there art then use an art that works for you to gain victory.|||Would learning to drive before your license test come in handy?
Point.|||it could be helpful if you do some good intense sparring, and it does keep you in shape
but.. it could also give you the mentality that %26quot;oh i take martial arts im a badass%26quot; but really your not.|||run!!!
the best defense is to get out of the situation.
it really doesn%26#039;t matter what martial arts you know, or even if you know nothing. the difference would be your state of mind and confidence when faced with that situation.
if they ask for money, give it!...and let them go. it is not worth proving your knowledge about the arts if it would cost you your life.
besides, laws in America are double edged. if you cause fatal or serious injury to the thugs, you can even end up getting sued for all you got. that might be even more head ache that just giving your wallet.|||Tae Kwon Do is a real martial art. It was made to train soldiers and the Tykien system that spawned it was taught to the guards that protected the king of Korea. I would bet that if you put this question to the Korean Rock Soldiers you would not like the answer assuming you lived through their response. Now is TKD today in the modern studio focused on APPLICATION and I can say that most traditional schools are focused on excercise, and personal development, far more than training you for combat. So does that mean you are not given self-defense training in your years with TKD? That you are asking this question is telling and suggests you may need to look elsewhere.
But you can take that training to the next level yourself. Read the early training methods for Tae Kwon Do come up with APPLICATION training methods, that resembles street situations today. I suggest the DVDs from Jeff Anderson president and founder of the ISCQC international society of close quarters combat. Real fights real defense they go over real situations caught on tape and the techniques used. Though they tend to slam traditional arts for failing in this area they help you look at the tools you have and need to survive the streets.|||i saw a fight on youtube where some dude laid this one guy out with a chop to da neck...|||Heck yes!
First of all, when I train I train for real. If you don%26#039;t practice of course you won%26#039;t do well in a real fight. Like that one person said, its the same with driving. Who%26#039;s a better driver? A 15 1/2 year old? or a thirty year old? point made.
Also, in class when you spar, you have a set of rules so you don%26#039;t hurt or Friend and/or training partner. i.e. that%26#039;s why samurai came up with the Shani because samurai didn%26#039;t want to kill their samurai friends while practicing!
That%26#039;s why you have to do bad work and practice combos on your own.
So I recommend karate and kung fu. Why? Because I do them. And I wouldn%26#039;t do a Martial Art that would be useless in real life.
(Some of my friends and others at my dojo have used what they%26#039;ve learned in real life situations)
Good Luck|||I have run into this topic alot %26amp; when I was younger I did TKD. TKD is a combat sport that is good in the ring but in my opinion is not effective on the street. Systems that would be good on the street are:
KRAV MAGA
JEET KUNE DO
KALI/ESCRIMA
COMBAT HAPKIDO
SILAT (some styles)
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