I%26#039;ve always been intrigued by the ability of a woman to use martial arts to throw a man. What%26#039;s the easies or most enjoyable way a woman can throw a man? Whats the size of the biggest man you%26#039;ve thrown?|||i agree w/a c .. a hip toss is one of the easier throws for me personally. i%26#039;m 5%26#039;0 126lbs, so i%26#039;m not a big person in any way, shape or form.. i have used it during sparring against my husband 5%26#039;6 200lbs of muscle, he resists pretty decently and i can still get it really good..
see women as apposed to men hold the bulk of their strength in their lower body, in your legs and hips, where as a man has more upper strength than a woman, what can ya do it%26#039;s natures rule...
so martial arts that focus on a lower base are great for women, throwing arts especially because they don%26#039;t require extreme strength but leverage, and using you%26#039;re opponents energy against them so that in turn they defeat themselves..
as a woman, a man is stronger than you, but he%26#039;s not stronger than gravity..
if you are looking for a good throwing art that doesn%26#039;t require you to be 6%26#039;8 280lbs, try shuai jiao, it%26#039;s a great grappling art that includes joint locks, throws, takedowns and other grappling methods, in addition to strikes with hands, feet and other body parts... not to mention the oldest chinese martial art.|||Try Judo, Aikido, Hapkido classes for great throwing techniques that don%26#039;t rely on size or strength.|||First, are you learning a martial art? If not, don%26#039;t go ask someone to teach you a throw, and expect it to work on any attacker at any time. (I%26#039;m assuming you want to learn for self-defense and not to go around throwing men.)|||Well, I%26#039;m no woman but I%26#039;m pretty small for a man at 5%26#039;6%26quot; and about 145lbs. I have found that the leg sweep is about the easiest throw for me in my particular art, (which is called Hanmudo). I%26#039;ve thrown a guy who is 6%26#039;1%26quot; and about 240lbs...but it takes effort and proper technique.|||A shoulder throw maybe. When someone puts his arm around your neck, you grab the arm and lower that shoulder toward the ground. I haven%26#039;t done throws in a while, but they%26#039;re not that hard. There%26#039;s one where you lower your knee to the ground and flip your opponent over. That makes it easier.|||%26gt;%26gt;I%26#039;ve always been intrigued by the ability of a woman to use martial arts to throw a man.
This takes lots and lots of practice. In other words, there is no %26quot;easy%26quot; throw.|||Hip toss is probably the easiest to learn, but it is not always appropriate. I believe you could probly toss somebody about a 100 pounds over you, if your strong and you get the technique down right.|||I like ippon sae naege(not sure if i spelled that right, sorry), i%26#039;m 5%26#039;7, 155 and i have thrown a 285 pounder with that one. Don%26#039;t try throws unless you are trained to do them properly! you could injure yourself or the person you%26#039;re throwing!
Friday, May 21, 2010
Why Do Some People think That It Is Against Christianity To Do Martial Arts?
Is it just because people are ignorant/mis-informed or is it some sort of conflict for a Christian to practice martial arts?
Chuck Norris is an example of a Christian who is a martial artist.
Where does this thinking come from?|||Melissa,
I agree.
So much of prejudice
(or any opinion taken without time or care to judge fairly)
has its roots in lack of exposure.
Hope this helps,
Jim|||Well, martial arts tends to make you more independent, self thinking and consider facts put before you. Meditation of the martial arts sort make it possible to look at things outside of the context of a directive religion.
Some would find that to be very threatening to the establishment.
Personally, I think it should be taught in every grade school in the country.|||Where do you get your information? Who told you that fighting is against Christianity? If your source also told you that drinking coffee is a sin, RUN. The fundies are after you.
Also, in the beginning, when God made the heaven and the earth and all that, he said, %26quot;Let there be light.%26quot; Chuck Norris said, %26quot;Say please.%26quot;|||The thinking comes from the Buddhist belief in which Martial Arts is highly associated with.
Here is the thing though, just because you practice Martial Arts, DOES NOT mean you have to practice such things as Zen, etc.
My son is in Martial Arts, and is a Christian. His Sensi is a Buddhist - NICEST GUY YOU COULD EVER MEET!! He does offer training with zen, BUT not required.
So, if a person knows where to draw the line, they will be fine and there is nothing wrong with it.|||They think it%26#039;s religion.
A school in the Deep South, Mississippi, I think, was trying to get a Yoga program going as part of physical education in elementary schools in an attempt to curb the growing obesity problem in the region. All the parents and some board members got it shut down because they think Yoga is some heathen religion.
Sad to see that the South is proved to be full of fat, stupid people.|||I guess that%26#039;s because of ignorance, and they perceive the martial arts to be violent. But it%26#039;s stupid. Martial arts only turn violent when people abuse it.|||No idea. But if they%26#039;re that xenophobic, I guess they don%26#039;t believe in taking antibiotics, either, because those are not in the Bible.
Chuck Norris is an example of a Christian who is a martial artist.
Where does this thinking come from?|||Melissa,
I agree.
So much of prejudice
(or any opinion taken without time or care to judge fairly)
has its roots in lack of exposure.
Hope this helps,
Jim|||Well, martial arts tends to make you more independent, self thinking and consider facts put before you. Meditation of the martial arts sort make it possible to look at things outside of the context of a directive religion.
Some would find that to be very threatening to the establishment.
Personally, I think it should be taught in every grade school in the country.|||Where do you get your information? Who told you that fighting is against Christianity? If your source also told you that drinking coffee is a sin, RUN. The fundies are after you.
Also, in the beginning, when God made the heaven and the earth and all that, he said, %26quot;Let there be light.%26quot; Chuck Norris said, %26quot;Say please.%26quot;|||The thinking comes from the Buddhist belief in which Martial Arts is highly associated with.
Here is the thing though, just because you practice Martial Arts, DOES NOT mean you have to practice such things as Zen, etc.
My son is in Martial Arts, and is a Christian. His Sensi is a Buddhist - NICEST GUY YOU COULD EVER MEET!! He does offer training with zen, BUT not required.
So, if a person knows where to draw the line, they will be fine and there is nothing wrong with it.|||They think it%26#039;s religion.
A school in the Deep South, Mississippi, I think, was trying to get a Yoga program going as part of physical education in elementary schools in an attempt to curb the growing obesity problem in the region. All the parents and some board members got it shut down because they think Yoga is some heathen religion.
Sad to see that the South is proved to be full of fat, stupid people.|||I guess that%26#039;s because of ignorance, and they perceive the martial arts to be violent. But it%26#039;s stupid. Martial arts only turn violent when people abuse it.|||No idea. But if they%26#039;re that xenophobic, I guess they don%26#039;t believe in taking antibiotics, either, because those are not in the Bible.
What Martial Arts focus mostly on kicking?
I love martial arts and would love to do a martial art that focus%26#039;s mostly on kicks rather than hand to hand combat so if you know of any please let me know.|||Only on kicking would be Savate- A very effective French kickboxing |||um, why focusing on kicks? wat are you looking to get out of martial arts? if you are looking for practical defense with quite alot of kicks, look into muay thai, but if you are looking to have a great time and ALOT of awesom looking and fun to practice kicks, check out capoeira-- attractive and fun! be prepared to work real hard if you want results thou, in anything you choose... martial arts are all about practice, fitness, flexibility, core strength... all things that take time to develop.
good luck:)|||The Korean stuff is big on kicking: Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do. The standard story (which may not be true) is the northern chinese systems emphasized legs because their legs were strong from all the mountains they had to climb to go anywhere. I do know that Shaolin Eagle kung fu has a lot of kicking. There are a lot of kung fu systems that kick but Eagle has always been the one I hear about the most. Then of course, there%26#039;s Muay Thai.|||Korean systems are most popular for their kicking techniques: Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, Hwarang Do, etc. Certain Chinese systems are as well. It depends on their origins. Wu Shu is known for some of
it%26#039;s kicking techniques. Capoera is pretty well known as is Kickboxing and Muay Thai.|||Taekwondo. If you want to do a martial art where it%26#039;s mostly all about kicking, that would be the one to go for.
|||tkd but its gay im a boxer and i knocked out enough people uses that stupid kicks i grab it and take yuou down silly tae kwon do people they get knocked out homez pc get at me dawggy from cali holla at me |||Taekwondo and artistic taekwondo|||Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan (formally known as Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan) |||it definitely is taekwondo|||taekwondo|||tae kwon do its probably closer to 90% kicks|||That would be TKD.|||Tae Kwon Do.||| i get my kick from tae kwon do but yea tae kwon do uses alot of kick|||tae kwon do
muay thai
both of the rely more of kicks than punches
|||tae kwon do - THAT IS THE ANSWER|||tae kwon do
good luck:)|||The Korean stuff is big on kicking: Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do. The standard story (which may not be true) is the northern chinese systems emphasized legs because their legs were strong from all the mountains they had to climb to go anywhere. I do know that Shaolin Eagle kung fu has a lot of kicking. There are a lot of kung fu systems that kick but Eagle has always been the one I hear about the most. Then of course, there%26#039;s Muay Thai.|||Korean systems are most popular for their kicking techniques: Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, Hwarang Do, etc. Certain Chinese systems are as well. It depends on their origins. Wu Shu is known for some of
it%26#039;s kicking techniques. Capoera is pretty well known as is Kickboxing and Muay Thai.|||Taekwondo. If you want to do a martial art where it%26#039;s mostly all about kicking, that would be the one to go for.
|||tkd but its gay im a boxer and i knocked out enough people uses that stupid kicks i grab it and take yuou down silly tae kwon do people they get knocked out homez pc get at me dawggy from cali holla at me |||Taekwondo and artistic taekwondo|||Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan (formally known as Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan) |||it definitely is taekwondo|||taekwondo|||tae kwon do its probably closer to 90% kicks|||That would be TKD.|||Tae Kwon Do.||| i get my kick from tae kwon do but yea tae kwon do uses alot of kick|||tae kwon do
muay thai
both of the rely more of kicks than punches
|||tae kwon do - THAT IS THE ANSWER|||tae kwon do
What martial arts weapons are illegal in Michigan?
I know that shurikens are illegal in New York, but is there anything else I should know when I buy martial arts weapons.|||In Detroit,saturday night specials,and Uzis|||I asked the same question of the State police. I was told that owning martial arts weapons is not illegal...carrying them with intent to do harm is. You can have a collection, so long as you NEVER carry them. - so I was told by MSP. Report Abuse
|||You need to check the websites, if you%26#039;re ordering them from an online website.
Most websites will have a list of states they can%26#039;t ship to, certain weapons like balisong (butterfly knives) are banned from several states.
and you might wanna check your local law enforcement, they may have a list of weapons that%26#039;re specifically prohibited in your area.
|||You need to check the websites, if you%26#039;re ordering them from an online website.
Most websites will have a list of states they can%26#039;t ship to, certain weapons like balisong (butterfly knives) are banned from several states.
and you might wanna check your local law enforcement, they may have a list of weapons that%26#039;re specifically prohibited in your area.
How can i convince my mom to let me do martial arts?
See my mom says that her brother (that i never heard about in my life time) died because he did martial arts and i can%26#039;t join any classes. Now i know this isn%26#039;t true because no instructor is that cruel or lets children do dangerous thing (breaking breaks is what my mom said killed him). I want to do martial arts to condition my body, learn some skills, and teach some dudes a few things if they try to mess with me. Any ideas how to convince my mom. I NEED SERIOUS ANSWERS!!|||Well, I was fortunate that my father trained on Okinawa in Karate, so martial arts were encouraged by him from an early age. I started martial arts training when I was about 6 or 7 and have done them since then.
Do not be aggressive about it to her, that will only backfire. Be sure to tell her the benefits of martial arts, mainly self defense (do not use the %26quot;teach some dudes a thing or two%26quot; approach when stating your point) and health.
The goal of martial arts is NOT having to use them-but being fully capable to if the need ever arises. If someone calls you a name, just walk away. If you beat him to a pulp for calling you a name-you%26#039;ll be the one who suffers the consequences, not him.
However, if someone ever threatens you or your family-knowing martial arts can protect you and those you love.
Some arts you may consider are-
Jujitsu (not to be confused with Brazilian Jiu Jutsu)
Tae Kwon Do
Karate
These are fairly common martial arts in many areas that are sufficient for self defense.
By the way-I have never heard of ANYONE dying as a result of injuries from breaking bricks. The only way I could see this happening is if he broke them wrong and perhaps cut himself and it got infected or bled out.
Either way, do not get aggressive with your mother. She just doesn%26#039;t want you to get hurt doing martial arts-tell her that you are far more likely to suffer a bad injury as a result of NOT knowing martial arts.
The martial arts (when done correctly) also help in focus, which you can of course use in school, and impart a type of humulity that will (trust me on this one) keep you out of FAR fewer fights than any bravado will.|||convince her to let you box, many laypeople don%26#039;t consider boxing to be martial arts-
or wrestling, both (either) can give you a very very good base for striking (boxing) or grappling (greco, freestyle- unlikely to learn young, or folkstyle) wrestling or possibly judo.
these are all martial arts, but the common misconception that they are not (with the exception of judo- but because it is an olympic event you can play on this) martial arts can work for you.|||You can tell her that it would be good exercise for you. It improves coordination and focus. It is also good because it teaches you discipline and restraint. Also, having to work at mastering a skill helps to build character. It would also allow you to get out and meet new people. Socializing and learning to get along with new people is an important part of growing up. Just tell her you%26#039;ll avoid breaking bricks with your forehead and she should be fine with it.|||Your best bet is to actually take her to the dojo/dojang/whatever to show her that it isn%26#039;t that bad. Find a school that doesn%26#039;t do breaks or full contact sparring and odds are she%26#039;ll be reassured. If not, then just work out and get into really good shape instead. Trust me, being fit is important in any martial art, so you will still be developing yourself, even if you can%26#039;t take classes.|||just convince her that people are bad and u never know what could happen to u because things can happen and dont think that they wont happen 2 u. also i took taekwondo for a few years until i was a black belt its pretty hard but not too bad and tell her it teaches self discipline.|||Take her to an Aikido dojo, and show her that no bricks will be harmed.|||take her to a do jang or tell her its for self defense
Do not be aggressive about it to her, that will only backfire. Be sure to tell her the benefits of martial arts, mainly self defense (do not use the %26quot;teach some dudes a thing or two%26quot; approach when stating your point) and health.
The goal of martial arts is NOT having to use them-but being fully capable to if the need ever arises. If someone calls you a name, just walk away. If you beat him to a pulp for calling you a name-you%26#039;ll be the one who suffers the consequences, not him.
However, if someone ever threatens you or your family-knowing martial arts can protect you and those you love.
Some arts you may consider are-
Jujitsu (not to be confused with Brazilian Jiu Jutsu)
Tae Kwon Do
Karate
These are fairly common martial arts in many areas that are sufficient for self defense.
By the way-I have never heard of ANYONE dying as a result of injuries from breaking bricks. The only way I could see this happening is if he broke them wrong and perhaps cut himself and it got infected or bled out.
Either way, do not get aggressive with your mother. She just doesn%26#039;t want you to get hurt doing martial arts-tell her that you are far more likely to suffer a bad injury as a result of NOT knowing martial arts.
The martial arts (when done correctly) also help in focus, which you can of course use in school, and impart a type of humulity that will (trust me on this one) keep you out of FAR fewer fights than any bravado will.|||convince her to let you box, many laypeople don%26#039;t consider boxing to be martial arts-
or wrestling, both (either) can give you a very very good base for striking (boxing) or grappling (greco, freestyle- unlikely to learn young, or folkstyle) wrestling or possibly judo.
these are all martial arts, but the common misconception that they are not (with the exception of judo- but because it is an olympic event you can play on this) martial arts can work for you.|||You can tell her that it would be good exercise for you. It improves coordination and focus. It is also good because it teaches you discipline and restraint. Also, having to work at mastering a skill helps to build character. It would also allow you to get out and meet new people. Socializing and learning to get along with new people is an important part of growing up. Just tell her you%26#039;ll avoid breaking bricks with your forehead and she should be fine with it.|||Your best bet is to actually take her to the dojo/dojang/whatever to show her that it isn%26#039;t that bad. Find a school that doesn%26#039;t do breaks or full contact sparring and odds are she%26#039;ll be reassured. If not, then just work out and get into really good shape instead. Trust me, being fit is important in any martial art, so you will still be developing yourself, even if you can%26#039;t take classes.|||just convince her that people are bad and u never know what could happen to u because things can happen and dont think that they wont happen 2 u. also i took taekwondo for a few years until i was a black belt its pretty hard but not too bad and tell her it teaches self discipline.|||Take her to an Aikido dojo, and show her that no bricks will be harmed.|||take her to a do jang or tell her its for self defense
What do you think of martial arts demonstrations?
I do a lot of martial arts demos it%26#039;s like one of my favorite aspects of marital arts, but i want to know that other people think about it|||I have been doing karate demonstration for 12 years in many cities in California. At first, we used to do karate demonstrations as ways to promote the dojo and the art.
We used to do at least 6-7 demonstrations per year mainly at Cultural Festivals and major events such as Cherry Blossom Festivals, Armed Forces Day and even at the Dodgers Stadium.
As the years goes by, I began to re-think the true value of karate demonstrations. Nowdays, I have decided to let new members of my dojo as well as my intermediate and advanced students to participate in small and semi large venue demonstration. I used this opportunity for all my white / Green / Brown belts to %26quot;practice%26quot; their forms for the upcoming tournament in front of a semi-large crowd.
This has worked well for me for the last three years as by the time the tournament day arrive, My group are pretty much ready to compete minus the nervousness and fear of being in front of a large crowd.
This are my personal thoughts and hope you like them !
PS: Here%26#039;s a small gallery from Dojo -
http://www.alljapankarate.com/gallery/ga...|||They are great way to lure people into a art and i see it as a Kata with people in it... so instead of imagining blockin a kick you will block a kick it is also great to think of what to do if you were in the certain situation only thing is that everythin wont come out as you said on the streets but you have an idea of what you can do... so in the end they are great|||Demo%26#039;s are great, nothing wrong with them. Not the best thing to have focus on, its much better to have a focus on some sort of competition but getting up in front of alot of people and performing is all part of handling yourself under pressure and is better than not doing anything. I dont for a second think that a good demo means the person can fight well but if a person can fight and can do a great entertaining demo as well, it just makes him so much better a martial artist in my book|||Depends on what the demos are about. Personally I enjoy demos that show power, speed and good technique. Demos that are flashy and have little practical application not so much. I believe you can learn from a good demonstration.|||Sometimes they%26#039;re cool, sometimes they are elegant and sometimes they are BS, pure and simple. I like it when they pass out refreshments.|||I feel that its a Great way to express yourself and your style. It%26#039;s the next best thing beside getting into the ring and fighting. So I would say stick with it, keep at them there great !|||Boring|||i dont like it because i train to fight,but i respect it because it takes discipline top learn it
We used to do at least 6-7 demonstrations per year mainly at Cultural Festivals and major events such as Cherry Blossom Festivals, Armed Forces Day and even at the Dodgers Stadium.
As the years goes by, I began to re-think the true value of karate demonstrations. Nowdays, I have decided to let new members of my dojo as well as my intermediate and advanced students to participate in small and semi large venue demonstration. I used this opportunity for all my white / Green / Brown belts to %26quot;practice%26quot; their forms for the upcoming tournament in front of a semi-large crowd.
This has worked well for me for the last three years as by the time the tournament day arrive, My group are pretty much ready to compete minus the nervousness and fear of being in front of a large crowd.
This are my personal thoughts and hope you like them !
PS: Here%26#039;s a small gallery from Dojo -
http://www.alljapankarate.com/gallery/ga...|||They are great way to lure people into a art and i see it as a Kata with people in it... so instead of imagining blockin a kick you will block a kick it is also great to think of what to do if you were in the certain situation only thing is that everythin wont come out as you said on the streets but you have an idea of what you can do... so in the end they are great|||Demo%26#039;s are great, nothing wrong with them. Not the best thing to have focus on, its much better to have a focus on some sort of competition but getting up in front of alot of people and performing is all part of handling yourself under pressure and is better than not doing anything. I dont for a second think that a good demo means the person can fight well but if a person can fight and can do a great entertaining demo as well, it just makes him so much better a martial artist in my book|||Depends on what the demos are about. Personally I enjoy demos that show power, speed and good technique. Demos that are flashy and have little practical application not so much. I believe you can learn from a good demonstration.|||Sometimes they%26#039;re cool, sometimes they are elegant and sometimes they are BS, pure and simple. I like it when they pass out refreshments.|||I feel that its a Great way to express yourself and your style. It%26#039;s the next best thing beside getting into the ring and fighting. So I would say stick with it, keep at them there great !|||Boring|||i dont like it because i train to fight,but i respect it because it takes discipline top learn it
Does everyone who does martial arts think tae kwon do is a joke?
The only people I know that respect TKD are people that don%26#039;t do any kind or martial arts or do TKD. I haven%26#039;t met a black belt with more good things to say about tae kwon do than bad apart from TKD black belts. Maybe it is just my area. Do other people think this? and why is this?|||I can%26#039;t answer for everyone so I%26#039;m sorry that I will not be able to give a completely acurate answer. However, Joe Rogan (who might not be the best source, but he gets a lot of exposure out to the MMA world) has repeatedly said that Tae Kwon Do is a worthless martial art that has no buiness being in a fight. And since he won the US Open Tae Kwon Do Grand Championship (which means he won his weight class and then beat the other weight class champions) at the age of 19, he might actually know a thing or two about what he is speaking of. To me, it is pretty bad when a practicioner and a Champion will not defend his own martial art.|||Stereotypes exist. And the stereotype for TKD is that it is crap.
Does this mean that TKD is crap? No. But there are a lot of very poor TKD practitioners out there and they continue to pump out 2-year black belts at schools all over the place.
There may be a good teacher, a good school, a tough TKD black belt, etc in your area but the odds are that that isnt the case.
Personally, if you are a beginner, I would avoid TKD because you probably wont know good from bad and with the odds the way they are, you will probably get stuck with a useless black belt a few years down the road.|||if one hasn%26#039;t tried it for themselves, then how could they have any opinion on it? what others think is of far less value to you than what YOU think!!! i train in ninpo and have no opinion about TKD. all i know is it involves a lot of kicking and is very popular. i have many tkd friends on my myspace page, if you%26#039;re on myspace add me!!!
http://www.myspace.com/allstarmats|||TKD isn%26#039;t much of a martial art, yet however more of a sport. TKD was based to used to kick off people fighting over horses, in some old war. It is not much of a self-defense art, and is more %26quot;show%26quot; than %26quot;martial%26quot;.|||The only people I know who disrespect anything are wannabes with a chip on their shoulders. If you were truly content with what you%26#039;re doing, you wouldn%26#039;t feel the need to go look in others%26#039; backyards to find fault there. Heck, if people are happy doing Tai-Chi, I say more power to them. Why do you have this need to denigrate what others are doing?|||People do not respect Tae Kwon Do as much as other martial arts because their fight in real life situation is almost non-practical. (Some might argue. Of course it%26#039;s better than learning nothing.)
And it became less of fighting and more of sports.
Plus, TKD is being criticized because of its popularity.
I%26#039;m sure if some other not-too-practical martial art was as popular as TKD, they would criticize that martial arts too.|||The reason why many people have this perception is because most American martial artists that don%26#039;t study TKD don鈥檛 KNOW TKD.
First, there are two major division of TKD. (Three if you count the ATA, but nobody but the ATA counts the ATA) Anyway, The World Taekwondo Federation and the International Taekwondo Federation are the two powerhouses. The WTF (World Taekwondo Federation) id all but devoted to the %26#039;SPORT%26#039; of TKD. They are more analogues to Boxing then Karate. Most of their techniques are geared towards Olympic TKD matches rather then street combat.
That said, the modern myth is that TKD lacks power because it%26#039;s all about points. The fact is the Olympic TKD permits kicks to the head and full power kicks and punches to the body. Many TKD fighters get knocked out is fights and many more get kicked senseless. Compare this to most American karate schools that only permit light to no contact. Furthermore, most non-TKD practitioners hear %26#039;point%26#039; and assume that this means that each time someone gets a point scored against them the match is stopped and the fighters lineup again. This is also false. TKD bouts go for 3 minutes non-stop. Points are counted by the judges and uses to determine the winner at the end of the vout...Assuming someone doesn鈥檛 get knocked out.
On the other hand, there is the ITF (International Taekwondo Federation). The sparring in these schools IS more of the karate light contact, point oriented sparing as found in MANY modern karate schools. However, more attention is spent on forms, self-defense and one steps then sparring. The founder of the ITF was a south Korean general and a well known advocate of personal self-defense.
As for the ATA, they are a fairly large group that broke from traditional TKD in 1969 for a numbe of unverifiable reasons. Haeng Ung Lee then created his own set of forms and copyrighted them so no one else could use his forms without having a school under his umbrella organization. (Since it is common practice for advanced black belts to open their own schools Haeng Ung Lee made certain that any black belt that did so would have to, by law, pay him royalties. Furthermore, belt are awarded at a very quick rate and belt tests are held more frequently then most other styles of MA, so many people consider them a belt factory. (Me included)
Still, one thing is certain, if you look at most serious (none belt factory) TKD schools, you will find that their training IS rigorous and they are tremendous athletes. Are they on par with other schools of self-defense when it comes to street fighting... NO! Then again, that%26#039;s why most TKD black belts take up other arts such as Hapkido or Tang Soo Do. Then again, many black belts from other styles take up WTF TKD so they can get into the Olympic games or just compete in WTF tournaments.
What is interesting is how many skilled black belts from other styles take up WTF TKD and realize early on it%26#039;s not as easy or lightweight as they originally believed. Trust me, it%26#039;s wasn%26#039;t my first style and it is not my primary style, but when I started I thought, this will be easy...It wasn%26#039;t!
I hope this helps.|||Some do and some don%26#039;t. It%26#039;s all subjective.|||I haven%26#039;t met a real martial artist yet that honestly bashes any other style. Period. They may bash schools, instructors, etc., but never a style.|||I have never heard this, in or around the Martial Arts School that my Grandson goes to...So, to answer your question....NO|||From a fighting perspective - TKD focuses far too much on extending the legs. This is a VERY bad idea when dealing with someone trained. You can be taken down very easily
From a general health perspective - TKD, like most other martial arts, is a great way to maintain good physique/flexibility well into old age. One thing alot of people forget is that it is an %26#039;art%26#039; . Many martial arts aren%26#039;t exactly meant for fighting, but rather for displays.|||because tkd training methods are more akin to a game rather than a real fight.
im not saying you can%26#039;t apply some of the techniques to a real fight, or modify the art to use it realistically.
however as it is taught by the majority of dojangs, it is more like a game that operates under its own rules and trains specifically for its own rules.
you can use a football tackle to take someone to the ground, however in no way is football considered to be a martial art.
the point sparring methods and rules used by tkdists are unrealistic and can actually make you a worse fighter than if you had no training as it encourages %26quot;racing for the point%26quot; since they don%26#039;t need to worry about counterpunching as they are broken apart after one person hits.
real hits like punches to the head and kicks below the waist are excluded (you cannot kick the supporting leg).
people who don%26#039;t do tkd, generally don%26#039;t know the difference because they aren%26#039;t involved in ma and probably wouldn%26#039;t have been exposed to this or someone that did tkd to watch them spar and know what is going on.
I%26#039;m sure out there somewhere someone teaches a more practical application of tkd, but I haven%26#039;t seen it. Most of what I have seen is tkdists applying techniques from tkd, but in a more realistic context when blended with boxing or something else.|||No. I do Isshinryu and have seen good Taekwondo dojangs. The bad one%26#039;s though outweigh the good in number of schools and number of students put onto the streets with blackbelts. Because there are a large number of Taekwondo blackbelts who can%26#039;t defend themselves very well, I come down hard on many Taekwondo blackbelts. Also though, I%26#039;ve seen good Taekwondo schools, with students who learn self defense, but these aren%26#039;t the McDojo/Blackbelt factories the others are. They are as rare as a blackbelt in any other specific school of Karate, be it Goju-ryu, Isshinryu, or Shotokan.|||It depends on the user. Long range is a HUGELY exploitable advantage that only so many people know how to use. Your average joe in TKD is probably going to beat up an average guy, but not a trained person.|||TKD is effective against a normal person, but to fight in TKD professionally it is only effective against others in the same sport. A lot of modern TKD movements are basic and built on a point system. The is no true ground work in TKD; if you have ever been in street fight the ground is where the fight usually goes to. I have taken TKD and others. Someone just starting out in a martial art TKD can be very benefical.
If you are wanting to learn some to protect yourself from an attacker... I would recommend Krav Maga or Commando Krav Maga which is taught to FBI, CIA and other elite forces.
If you want to go professiona and get into a form MMA I would start out with Brazilian Jui Juistu(BJJ).|||martial arts need to stop being so asian. they are racist.
Does this mean that TKD is crap? No. But there are a lot of very poor TKD practitioners out there and they continue to pump out 2-year black belts at schools all over the place.
There may be a good teacher, a good school, a tough TKD black belt, etc in your area but the odds are that that isnt the case.
Personally, if you are a beginner, I would avoid TKD because you probably wont know good from bad and with the odds the way they are, you will probably get stuck with a useless black belt a few years down the road.|||if one hasn%26#039;t tried it for themselves, then how could they have any opinion on it? what others think is of far less value to you than what YOU think!!! i train in ninpo and have no opinion about TKD. all i know is it involves a lot of kicking and is very popular. i have many tkd friends on my myspace page, if you%26#039;re on myspace add me!!!
http://www.myspace.com/allstarmats|||TKD isn%26#039;t much of a martial art, yet however more of a sport. TKD was based to used to kick off people fighting over horses, in some old war. It is not much of a self-defense art, and is more %26quot;show%26quot; than %26quot;martial%26quot;.|||The only people I know who disrespect anything are wannabes with a chip on their shoulders. If you were truly content with what you%26#039;re doing, you wouldn%26#039;t feel the need to go look in others%26#039; backyards to find fault there. Heck, if people are happy doing Tai-Chi, I say more power to them. Why do you have this need to denigrate what others are doing?|||People do not respect Tae Kwon Do as much as other martial arts because their fight in real life situation is almost non-practical. (Some might argue. Of course it%26#039;s better than learning nothing.)
And it became less of fighting and more of sports.
Plus, TKD is being criticized because of its popularity.
I%26#039;m sure if some other not-too-practical martial art was as popular as TKD, they would criticize that martial arts too.|||The reason why many people have this perception is because most American martial artists that don%26#039;t study TKD don鈥檛 KNOW TKD.
First, there are two major division of TKD. (Three if you count the ATA, but nobody but the ATA counts the ATA) Anyway, The World Taekwondo Federation and the International Taekwondo Federation are the two powerhouses. The WTF (World Taekwondo Federation) id all but devoted to the %26#039;SPORT%26#039; of TKD. They are more analogues to Boxing then Karate. Most of their techniques are geared towards Olympic TKD matches rather then street combat.
That said, the modern myth is that TKD lacks power because it%26#039;s all about points. The fact is the Olympic TKD permits kicks to the head and full power kicks and punches to the body. Many TKD fighters get knocked out is fights and many more get kicked senseless. Compare this to most American karate schools that only permit light to no contact. Furthermore, most non-TKD practitioners hear %26#039;point%26#039; and assume that this means that each time someone gets a point scored against them the match is stopped and the fighters lineup again. This is also false. TKD bouts go for 3 minutes non-stop. Points are counted by the judges and uses to determine the winner at the end of the vout...Assuming someone doesn鈥檛 get knocked out.
On the other hand, there is the ITF (International Taekwondo Federation). The sparring in these schools IS more of the karate light contact, point oriented sparing as found in MANY modern karate schools. However, more attention is spent on forms, self-defense and one steps then sparring. The founder of the ITF was a south Korean general and a well known advocate of personal self-defense.
As for the ATA, they are a fairly large group that broke from traditional TKD in 1969 for a numbe of unverifiable reasons. Haeng Ung Lee then created his own set of forms and copyrighted them so no one else could use his forms without having a school under his umbrella organization. (Since it is common practice for advanced black belts to open their own schools Haeng Ung Lee made certain that any black belt that did so would have to, by law, pay him royalties. Furthermore, belt are awarded at a very quick rate and belt tests are held more frequently then most other styles of MA, so many people consider them a belt factory. (Me included)
Still, one thing is certain, if you look at most serious (none belt factory) TKD schools, you will find that their training IS rigorous and they are tremendous athletes. Are they on par with other schools of self-defense when it comes to street fighting... NO! Then again, that%26#039;s why most TKD black belts take up other arts such as Hapkido or Tang Soo Do. Then again, many black belts from other styles take up WTF TKD so they can get into the Olympic games or just compete in WTF tournaments.
What is interesting is how many skilled black belts from other styles take up WTF TKD and realize early on it%26#039;s not as easy or lightweight as they originally believed. Trust me, it%26#039;s wasn%26#039;t my first style and it is not my primary style, but when I started I thought, this will be easy...It wasn%26#039;t!
I hope this helps.|||Some do and some don%26#039;t. It%26#039;s all subjective.|||I haven%26#039;t met a real martial artist yet that honestly bashes any other style. Period. They may bash schools, instructors, etc., but never a style.|||I have never heard this, in or around the Martial Arts School that my Grandson goes to...So, to answer your question....NO|||From a fighting perspective - TKD focuses far too much on extending the legs. This is a VERY bad idea when dealing with someone trained. You can be taken down very easily
From a general health perspective - TKD, like most other martial arts, is a great way to maintain good physique/flexibility well into old age. One thing alot of people forget is that it is an %26#039;art%26#039; . Many martial arts aren%26#039;t exactly meant for fighting, but rather for displays.|||because tkd training methods are more akin to a game rather than a real fight.
im not saying you can%26#039;t apply some of the techniques to a real fight, or modify the art to use it realistically.
however as it is taught by the majority of dojangs, it is more like a game that operates under its own rules and trains specifically for its own rules.
you can use a football tackle to take someone to the ground, however in no way is football considered to be a martial art.
the point sparring methods and rules used by tkdists are unrealistic and can actually make you a worse fighter than if you had no training as it encourages %26quot;racing for the point%26quot; since they don%26#039;t need to worry about counterpunching as they are broken apart after one person hits.
real hits like punches to the head and kicks below the waist are excluded (you cannot kick the supporting leg).
people who don%26#039;t do tkd, generally don%26#039;t know the difference because they aren%26#039;t involved in ma and probably wouldn%26#039;t have been exposed to this or someone that did tkd to watch them spar and know what is going on.
I%26#039;m sure out there somewhere someone teaches a more practical application of tkd, but I haven%26#039;t seen it. Most of what I have seen is tkdists applying techniques from tkd, but in a more realistic context when blended with boxing or something else.|||No. I do Isshinryu and have seen good Taekwondo dojangs. The bad one%26#039;s though outweigh the good in number of schools and number of students put onto the streets with blackbelts. Because there are a large number of Taekwondo blackbelts who can%26#039;t defend themselves very well, I come down hard on many Taekwondo blackbelts. Also though, I%26#039;ve seen good Taekwondo schools, with students who learn self defense, but these aren%26#039;t the McDojo/Blackbelt factories the others are. They are as rare as a blackbelt in any other specific school of Karate, be it Goju-ryu, Isshinryu, or Shotokan.|||It depends on the user. Long range is a HUGELY exploitable advantage that only so many people know how to use. Your average joe in TKD is probably going to beat up an average guy, but not a trained person.|||TKD is effective against a normal person, but to fight in TKD professionally it is only effective against others in the same sport. A lot of modern TKD movements are basic and built on a point system. The is no true ground work in TKD; if you have ever been in street fight the ground is where the fight usually goes to. I have taken TKD and others. Someone just starting out in a martial art TKD can be very benefical.
If you are wanting to learn some to protect yourself from an attacker... I would recommend Krav Maga or Commando Krav Maga which is taught to FBI, CIA and other elite forces.
If you want to go professiona and get into a form MMA I would start out with Brazilian Jui Juistu(BJJ).|||martial arts need to stop being so asian. they are racist.
Should I choose the path of martial arts of the path of nature?
I either want to do martial arts which would include parkour, gymnastics, wrestling, yoga/pilates, fencing, kick/boxing, martial arts (ninjitsu), etc.
Or I want to do the %26#039;path of nature%26#039; which includes hiking, canoeing, climbing, biology, astronomy, geology, caving, etc AND creating my own martial art which is based around nature.
Think of it in terms of this, which could I make a career out of better?|||Well you could always combine them like you said. It is very fun to parkour and trick in a forrest.
Or I want to do the %26#039;path of nature%26#039; which includes hiking, canoeing, climbing, biology, astronomy, geology, caving, etc AND creating my own martial art which is based around nature.
Think of it in terms of this, which could I make a career out of better?|||Well you could always combine them like you said. It is very fun to parkour and trick in a forrest.
What are some totally legal weapons I can use for Martial Arts in New York?
What are some totally legal weapons I can use for Martial Arts in New York? I would like legit and factual answers please. I am pretty sure a bo staff is legal, what else is? Thank you all for your answers.|||escrima sticks, bo%26#039;s and jo%26#039;s, tonfas, basically anything wooden. nunchuks are technically illegal but you can still buy practice ones in most stores in chinatown.kubotan keychains are also legal. most weapons that fall under concealed weapons are illegal but something like a bo is fine and if you carry some sort of proof, just in case u get in trouble, that you are a martial artist, you should be ok.|||have you trained with sticks or short staffs before?
- an umbrella with a solid hard steel.|||Butter knife%26#039;s.|||Go with stick fighting. You can find any number of items in your environment to use as sticks. They work better indoors than a bo, they%26#039;re easier to conceal, and they%26#039;re more versatile.
Learn Filipino Kali.|||Wooden ones are the only sure answer.|||If you are talking about home practice and not carrying as a %26quot;concealed weapon%26quot; you can do whatever you like in your home.
Some weapons are inherently illegal, but having a katana in your home or a staff is not illegal.
As far as carry weapons a few might be found from the following:
1- with a ccw permit, obviously you can carry a handgun, with a target permit you can keep it in your home (or generally any permit).
2- you can carry a cane, however will be questioned without the need to carry it.
3- a knife, provided it is more of a utility type (this is where the %26quot;rule of thumb%26quot; of 6in comes from).
4- any small stick that seems more like a %26quot;paperweight%26quot; than anything else.
so long as it doesn%26#039;t seem like a concealed weapon to be used with intent, you will have a better shot.|||Now you know why I practice the walking stick... you can take a cane anywhere!
Your best bet would be to talk to somebody at a Martial Arts supply store in NY. Here in Rochester, NY; I use a store that is online, see:
Continental Martial Arts
http://www.cmasports.com/
Of course, I am talking about NY STATE.
NY CITY may be different!|||When you say legal, do you mean for use in a dojo or to walk the streets? For use in the dojo, many of the weapons are legal, the katana is legal if you have a practice one (made of wood). Nun-chucks are illegal but if you have a practice set (with rubber soft rubber grips), that%26#039;s OK. No weapon is legal to walk the streets. However, in Black Cipher Martial Arts Sciences, we%26#039;ve gotten a way around that. For example, we modified some weapons, changed the size of others, or created some using a different material to make them legal. Not to commit crimes or anything like that. But sometimes, you are in a situation when your assailant has an illegal weapon and you have to even the playing field. So my question is, are you talking inside the dojo or outside in the field?|||Get into stick fighting bro. Whatever you learn or do with the sticks you can apply to knives also.
- an umbrella with a solid hard steel.|||Butter knife%26#039;s.|||Go with stick fighting. You can find any number of items in your environment to use as sticks. They work better indoors than a bo, they%26#039;re easier to conceal, and they%26#039;re more versatile.
Learn Filipino Kali.|||Wooden ones are the only sure answer.|||If you are talking about home practice and not carrying as a %26quot;concealed weapon%26quot; you can do whatever you like in your home.
Some weapons are inherently illegal, but having a katana in your home or a staff is not illegal.
As far as carry weapons a few might be found from the following:
1- with a ccw permit, obviously you can carry a handgun, with a target permit you can keep it in your home (or generally any permit).
2- you can carry a cane, however will be questioned without the need to carry it.
3- a knife, provided it is more of a utility type (this is where the %26quot;rule of thumb%26quot; of 6in comes from).
4- any small stick that seems more like a %26quot;paperweight%26quot; than anything else.
so long as it doesn%26#039;t seem like a concealed weapon to be used with intent, you will have a better shot.|||Now you know why I practice the walking stick... you can take a cane anywhere!
Your best bet would be to talk to somebody at a Martial Arts supply store in NY. Here in Rochester, NY; I use a store that is online, see:
Continental Martial Arts
http://www.cmasports.com/
Of course, I am talking about NY STATE.
NY CITY may be different!|||When you say legal, do you mean for use in a dojo or to walk the streets? For use in the dojo, many of the weapons are legal, the katana is legal if you have a practice one (made of wood). Nun-chucks are illegal but if you have a practice set (with rubber soft rubber grips), that%26#039;s OK. No weapon is legal to walk the streets. However, in Black Cipher Martial Arts Sciences, we%26#039;ve gotten a way around that. For example, we modified some weapons, changed the size of others, or created some using a different material to make them legal. Not to commit crimes or anything like that. But sometimes, you are in a situation when your assailant has an illegal weapon and you have to even the playing field. So my question is, are you talking inside the dojo or outside in the field?|||Get into stick fighting bro. Whatever you learn or do with the sticks you can apply to knives also.
Whats the difference between Kung Fu and Wing Chun in Martial arts?
I want to take up a martial arts class and the place i want to study at has these two styles to choose from. i was wondering what the difference was, which is a better style to choose from as a beginner and which will provisde a better overall fitness?|||Why are you asking this here in the Astronomy forum????
Why not ask this in Sports %26gt; Martial Arts ?|||Wing Chun is just a subject in Kung Fu under barehand fighting. In fact Kung Fu can be interpret as %26quot;Chinese Martial Art%26quot; and Wing Chun is just a very small part of it. as a beginner, Wing Chun is pretty good for fundamentals.|||This is the Astronomy group. Not the right place for your question.
Why not ask this in Sports %26gt; Martial Arts ?|||Wing Chun is just a subject in Kung Fu under barehand fighting. In fact Kung Fu can be interpret as %26quot;Chinese Martial Art%26quot; and Wing Chun is just a very small part of it. as a beginner, Wing Chun is pretty good for fundamentals.|||This is the Astronomy group. Not the right place for your question.
How much should I expect to pay to enroll in a REALLY GOOD martial arts school.?
I only wanna hear from people who are part of somekind of martial arts program. So that they can tell me the prices of their own schools.|||Before you ask about $$$$$$$$$$$, ask the guy who his instructor is or was, is he alive, and can you call him. Make dang sure he is authentic and not just a wannabe. Check the internet for the association he says he is a part of.
As far as the price, check all the yellow page listed people and see what the average going rate is. As a rule, if you%26#039;re in a large city, like say - Atlanta - New York - San Francisco - today%26#039;s rates may run you as much as $200 per month and you have to sign a one year contract. Other cities - smaller ones - the going rate could be much less - but average is about $100 a month these days. Idealy, find someone authentic that has monthly rates available as well as contracts - the more flexible they are with their rates, the more open minded they are as instructors - at least, that%26#039;s my opinion. I%26#039;ve been teaching authentic Kung Fu and Tai Chi for these 35 years now - but it%26#039;s still only one man%26#039;s opinion - OK?|||Around $50 a month. Price does not determine the quality of a school. Some schools are just about making money. A REALLY GOOD martial arts school shouldn%26#039;t charge very much. They should be about teaching and preserving their art, not making money.|||Totally dependent usually on how many classes you take.
Like college, except if you reach a certain maximum they let you take as many classes as you want- they tempt you into this because they make it the better deal.
The militech fighting schools. A popular mma fighting school along with its braches all charge the same 75$ per 3 classes a week. ANy class you want. Any day.
You should call up the schools you want to be a part of and ask them for their fees. Nobody on yahoo answers is going to give you a good solid answer because the question is so abstract. I highly reccomend you google schools near you. Find out on their website (many do) or if thats not possible call them.
Please rate. Thank you. and i hope this helps.|||Dont judge a school by its price. There are alot of mcdojos charging much more than they should. I pay $10 a lesson, and can schedule as many lessons as I want. I have been to other schools that want you to sign a contract and pay everyting up front. Thats not the way I want it. I want to make sure the lessons are good, and the style is good. The place I go to now is great. It is a streetfighting total self defense class. I have learned such simple defense techniques that all these other places made so difficult. There is no bs just fighting. We dont stretch in class My instructor says you can stretch at home. I am here to teach you how to fight. Thats how I like it. I am not paying to stretch.|||My school has a graduated system depending on how many family members attend. We have a saying, %26quot;The family that kicks together sticks together.%26quot;
1st person: $75/mth
2nd person: $45/mth
3rd person: $30/mth
4th person: $25/mth
5th or more person: FREE!
This covers two instructional classes, four open workouts, and a bonus Saturday class every week. There is also an additional adult class during the day and a family class for those who have trouble getting sitters during the week.
We do not have contracts.
I know at least two schools near us that charge $200+ a month. No discounts.|||I only pay 45.00 a month and that entitles me too 3 two hour classes a week. Be warned more money does not always translate into better teaching or training. One of the most skilled instructors I ever knew taught at a rec center for little or nothing.
Take Tiger Shulmans Dojo%26#039;s. very expensive and not worth much of anything. Best bet is to check your area for rates.|||it varies a lot.
i pay about $10 a lesson and im doing 3 different martial arts 2 are $10 a lesson and the other one is $50 a month but i know other classes which expect over $100 a month. but prices can change by how many classes you do and things like that.|||muay thai or bjj or something in that department should be between 1000-1300 a year
MMA should be 1400 and up
my muay thai gym was 1000 for a year
my bjj was 1300 for a year
and my MMA was 1500 for a year|||Well, I have a really affordable gym. I only pay $250 for three month of unlimited MMA training. I train with Olympians, so I assume quality is good.|||Depends on where you live. I live in the OC area and prices you usually range from 140-170 a month.
As far as the price, check all the yellow page listed people and see what the average going rate is. As a rule, if you%26#039;re in a large city, like say - Atlanta - New York - San Francisco - today%26#039;s rates may run you as much as $200 per month and you have to sign a one year contract. Other cities - smaller ones - the going rate could be much less - but average is about $100 a month these days. Idealy, find someone authentic that has monthly rates available as well as contracts - the more flexible they are with their rates, the more open minded they are as instructors - at least, that%26#039;s my opinion. I%26#039;ve been teaching authentic Kung Fu and Tai Chi for these 35 years now - but it%26#039;s still only one man%26#039;s opinion - OK?|||Around $50 a month. Price does not determine the quality of a school. Some schools are just about making money. A REALLY GOOD martial arts school shouldn%26#039;t charge very much. They should be about teaching and preserving their art, not making money.|||Totally dependent usually on how many classes you take.
Like college, except if you reach a certain maximum they let you take as many classes as you want- they tempt you into this because they make it the better deal.
The militech fighting schools. A popular mma fighting school along with its braches all charge the same 75$ per 3 classes a week. ANy class you want. Any day.
You should call up the schools you want to be a part of and ask them for their fees. Nobody on yahoo answers is going to give you a good solid answer because the question is so abstract. I highly reccomend you google schools near you. Find out on their website (many do) or if thats not possible call them.
Please rate. Thank you. and i hope this helps.|||Dont judge a school by its price. There are alot of mcdojos charging much more than they should. I pay $10 a lesson, and can schedule as many lessons as I want. I have been to other schools that want you to sign a contract and pay everyting up front. Thats not the way I want it. I want to make sure the lessons are good, and the style is good. The place I go to now is great. It is a streetfighting total self defense class. I have learned such simple defense techniques that all these other places made so difficult. There is no bs just fighting. We dont stretch in class My instructor says you can stretch at home. I am here to teach you how to fight. Thats how I like it. I am not paying to stretch.|||My school has a graduated system depending on how many family members attend. We have a saying, %26quot;The family that kicks together sticks together.%26quot;
1st person: $75/mth
2nd person: $45/mth
3rd person: $30/mth
4th person: $25/mth
5th or more person: FREE!
This covers two instructional classes, four open workouts, and a bonus Saturday class every week. There is also an additional adult class during the day and a family class for those who have trouble getting sitters during the week.
We do not have contracts.
I know at least two schools near us that charge $200+ a month. No discounts.|||I only pay 45.00 a month and that entitles me too 3 two hour classes a week. Be warned more money does not always translate into better teaching or training. One of the most skilled instructors I ever knew taught at a rec center for little or nothing.
Take Tiger Shulmans Dojo%26#039;s. very expensive and not worth much of anything. Best bet is to check your area for rates.|||it varies a lot.
i pay about $10 a lesson and im doing 3 different martial arts 2 are $10 a lesson and the other one is $50 a month but i know other classes which expect over $100 a month. but prices can change by how many classes you do and things like that.|||muay thai or bjj or something in that department should be between 1000-1300 a year
MMA should be 1400 and up
my muay thai gym was 1000 for a year
my bjj was 1300 for a year
and my MMA was 1500 for a year|||Well, I have a really affordable gym. I only pay $250 for three month of unlimited MMA training. I train with Olympians, so I assume quality is good.|||Depends on where you live. I live in the OC area and prices you usually range from 140-170 a month.
What things would martial arts be better off without?
I had a bad day at class, so I am venting a little (I apologize). Is it me, or do the same things keep creeping into the martial arts world that drive us all batty? Some things I wish didn%26#039;t exist for everyone%26#039;s benefit in any martial art. For example, I wish people wouldn%26#039;t address themselves as sensei or master. That%26#039;s just wrong. I also wish people would stop calling a new katana a %26quot;samurai sword%26quot;, because the samurai are all dead (get over it!). I wish that people would understand you can%26#039;t learn sh*t from exclusively books or the internet. Lastly, I wish if schools were going to award kiddie black belts, then they should be expected to to handle the same responsibilities as us adult black belts. It pisses me off to see them fool around, miss class for other sports, and still get the same rank I do when I behave and go to class all the time. Anyone else wanna share some gripes?|||Hi there
Welcome to the western world of martial arts. Lots of problems that can be rounded up into a few short terms
1. ego . People who have very larges ones simply shouldn%26#039;t be training. Don%26#039;t blame the student thought its the teachers fault for allowing them to train in the first place!
2. Politics. Yes this is an old beast that pops up from time to time. It stunts the development of students and ties the hands of good instructors that just want to train. Big fish in little ponds are mainly to blame. As they would say sod the training and build the empire!
3. Money. This should always be a side thing. As long as instructors can pay their rent and equipment then that%26#039;s all money is good for.
4. TV. Oh boy is the digital box of tricks to blame for so much. It warps young minds and the recent craze of shows doesn%26#039;t help either. School Boy martial artists reading this months copy of combat magazine. Great stuff!
5. Forms. The forms are good if interprited in the right way. Its not about doing the perfect form or doing it for show. They are fighting techniques. If you dont understand the principles of what they are trying to teach then its just painting by numbers. Good for show and competion but the heart and soul has been lost.
With regards to kids training. nothing wrong with that but a children%26#039;s black belt is not an adults grade and their classes should be kept separate. Discipline is for the parents not the art.
There are no masters in the west. You want to train with them you go to Japan!
People who say their arts are samuari should check to see if what they are doing is Koryu. Most arts aren%26#039;t even 100 years old and are modern day variants.
Thats my gripes out in the open. lol ;)
Best wishes
idai|||AnaMom --- great answer!
To add a few of my pet peeves that I would like to see go away:
1. XMA or any other %26quot;flash and trash%26quot; dance/gymnastics routines that thrown in a punch or stance and try to call what they are doing martial arts.
2. People who try to %26quot;out-tradition%26quot; other martial artists, while getting their own tradition all wrong. One of my favorite stories on that one is the guy who visited a dojo in Japan, heard someone say %26quot;shomen ni rei%26quot; and came home to announce at his students that he was henceforth to be addressed by the title %26quot;shomen%26quot;.
3. People who think a simple white or black karate uniform isn%26#039;t good enough to train in and have to come up with multi-colored, bizarre get-ups out of the most ridiculous material.
4. Oddballs who try to pretend as if they have suddenly turned Japanese just because they are training in karate. I mean, really, did you suddenly forget all the English you%26#039;ve known all your life just because you put on a gi? And what%26#039;s with the bad Japanese accent whenever someone insists that you answer them in English?
5. Parents who try to tell you how and what to teach their children and who argue with you about technique, the curriculum, when their children should test, etc.
6. Parents who think their children are precocious geniuses at martial arts, while you are ready to rip out your hair and considering opening up a remedial class to teach these same children.
7. Parents who insist on telling you, every class, what a klutz their poor kid is, while you think he%26#039;s made enormous progress. Also, parents who compare their two children and insist that the better student is really the poorer student.
8. Parents who want to dictate who their children work out with during class. %26quot;Buford is way too aggressive for my little Clarence. Please don%26#039;t have them spar. And little Clarence needs more of a challenge than Tusnelda can offer. Also, little Clarence doesn%26#039;t like Dakota, so please don%26#039;t pair them up any more. And Cheyenne once frowned at Clarence and hurt his feelings, so I wish you wouldn%26#039;t have them spare each other either.%26quot;
9. Couch potato parents who look like they couldn%26#039;t walk around the block without taking a nap --- but who yell and scream at their children during tournaments because the poor kid isn%26#039;t beating every other kid in his division at sparring.
10. Ridiculous movies that give everyone ridiculous ideas about the martial arts.|||I figure I%26#039;ll keep it simple. No need for introduction, simply opinion and fact:
1. Kiddie black belts and Mcdojos, belt factories, whatever you call them. As has already been stated, a 6 year old is not a black belt. a black belt is required to have enough knowledge to _teach_ correct form AND technique. So, sure, at 6 years old, this little guy can kick to another 6 year old%26#039;s head. Good for him. But can he teach a 30 year old, new to the art, how to kick to another 30 year old%26#039;s head, effectively, efficiently, and technically perfect? I think not. And as for %26quot;junior%26quot; black belts, sorry, but not a good compromise. When a 6 year old spends 6 years training, it%26#039;s probably mighty tempting to award him a black belt at 12. he%26#039;s still a 12 year old student. Kids spend 13 years in school and every one of those years they take an English/Reading course. No one awards them college credit because they have been taking English/Reading for 6 years. And these are kids who SPEAK english everyday, every minute of the day, without fail, since they began to talk. which is decidedly different from training 3 nights a week, 40 weeks a year (taking into account vacation, sickness, and the like). So if we can%26#039;t promote our 12 year old to college courses after 6 years of English, why would we promote them to black belt status? That%26#039;s easy: parents want something for their money, and little Johny%26#039;s new belt is a peace offering from an instructor not too eager to tell Johny or his parents that he couldn%26#039;t kick his way out of a paper bag.
2. Bullshido schools and bullshido katas in good schools. The next time I see a Combative/Supreme Pizza School of defense/Luta Libre WWE Wrestling Suplex school of Street Fighting/etc. I will seriously contemplate seppuku. I don%26#039;t know how many DVD%26#039;s and small, disreputable schools we can handle, teaching BS self-defense. The women%26#039;s defense schools teaching the %26quot;correct%26quot; way to kick someone in the testes, the %26quot;correct%26quot; way to pull hair, etc. are also high on the list. Seriously, just grazing my testicles is a good way to floor me, so how much more correct can you get? And do you expect all attackers to have long hair or something? Self-defense should comprise five steps. Look for escape routes, utilize impromptu weapons, escape, escape, escape. Now, fighting in a cage/ring/mat/etc. is a different story. The point isn%26#039;t to escape, it%26#039;s to win. So we train for one-on-one application of our artform with the intention of winning. But some schools still want to train crazy, useless, inefficient kata. Seriously, the square knife blocking reaper arm and the triple flying reverse thrust spoonkick kata aren%26#039;t effective, efficient, nor practical in any application, so why train them? some say %26quot;We all know that flying and reverse techniques aren%26#039;t useful in the ring/self defense, but we train them for tradition sake.%26quot; So you really believe that ancient masters trained students in their artform with USELESS techniques? No. Modern %26quot;masters%26quot; created these techniques to help delineate between a blue/brown/purple/rainbow belt and a black belt, ie. to make more money when selling belts. Get it out of your head that these crazy, Jet Li film maneuvers are something you want trained into your instinct and muscle memory. Seriously, the good ol%26#039; roundhouse, jab, cross, uppercut, hook, elbow, knee, and sidekick are about as useful as it%26#039;s going to get. Sure, you should train them from every angle, even, grudgingly, training a couple reverses for when you miss a roundhouse or sidekick, but seriously, there%26#039;s no need for flying triple reverse crescent hook heel moonkicks finishing with a ballet plie or en pointe. It%26#039;s all just garbage.
3. If your striking art doesn%26#039;t train ground fighting or your ground art doesn%26#039;t train striking, don%26#039;t try to cobble something together from %26quot;ancient manuscripts%26quot; or watching alot of UFC or K-1. Serious, just teach what you know and try to get a student sharing system with an artform that compliments yours. That is the best way to compromise. Look into other artforms with some of the same heritage as yours, or artforms that compliment your techniques. This means a Wing Chun practicioner probably shouldn%26#039;t go with a BJJ teacher to compliment, since they are fairly dipolar opposite in thinking and technique. But, equally, a BJJ teacher probably shouldn%26#039;t choose silat as a complimentary style, and so on. if your style is hard, quick, and external, choose a style of the same nature. On the other hand, if it is soft, slow, and internal, then you should again choose something of that vein. Which brings me to my next sticking point.
4. Don%26#039;t claim your artform is %26quot;pure%26quot; if your students are using a mix of artforms in their fighting. There%26#039;s nothing I hate more than watching a %26quot;purist%26quot; style claiming victory for it%26#039;s style, using another style%26#039;s exact movements. This happens more and more when I see %26quot;chin na%26quot; as a ground art for Kung Fu artists. The problem? Ancient Chin Na and even Chin Na before the UFC had little actual groundwork. It, like most artforms, largely used standing locks and dislocations for its grappling, as well as small joint manipulation and pressure point fighting. Now I see people training in %26quot;chin na%26quot; who use the guard, half-guard, mount, armbars, and other techniques tied to jujutsu, judo, and BJJ, claiming that chin na has had these for hundreds of years. Seriously, just admit that you are teaching a mixed martial art and not a %26quot;purist%26quot; art, instead of misrepresenting your heritage. I am more than glad to admit that I trained BJJ with a gi before moving to no-gi grappling. I am more than happy to admit that I still use judo throws, Aikido circular movements and wrist grips, the standing sidekick as taught to me in karate, and other techniques that work from all of the arts I have trained in, all to supplement my Muay Thai and grappling. I will never make the claim that I am a pure Thai fighter. I%26#039;m not.
5. As already stated, politics is a horrific detractor from martial arts, and the leading cause of problems 1-4 above. Without %26quot;your art sucks, mine is superior%26quot; and %26quot;my art is older than yours and we have belts%26quot;, none of this would happen. In fact, arts would share more and be more open to change when they see that they are becoming ineffective if we%26#039;d get over it all. We might see hard japanese styles like shotokan adapting their punches to be delivered from different stances to accomodate the MMA and self-defense of today instead of holding to traditional methods which were meant to break bamboo armor and attack armed samurai. Instead, we see sports claiming to be self-defense, self-defense arts of the 1600%26#039;s claiming to be effective against guns and knives today, and %26quot;ancient%26quot; arts with hazy pedigrees claiming to be the superior artform of all time. Sounds alot like one politician saying %26quot;Don%26#039;t listen to him, he%26#039;s lying%26quot; about his rival, who says the same about him.|||it%26#039;d be better without the thugs they sometimes create, the egoheads. the sensei thing kinda sucks too.|||HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! sorry, i very much enjoyed your venting and i agree with you 100% espcially about the kiddie black belts and the samurai sword. it is a katana and when the owner is an actual samurai, then they can call it a smaurai sword. one of my gripes is when a school makes up they%26#039;re own belts....what the heck is up with the %26quot;CAMO-belt%26quot;!?!?! and belt want to find a ninjitsu school in the US just so they can go around playing Naruto like a %26quot;real%26quot; ninja. you%26#039;re better off watching TNMT. i hate the way that some schoole require you to recruit at least 2-3 students inorder to recieve their black belt, and are all about money and contracts. i understand that people need to make a living but some people really bring truth to the term %26quot;McDojo%26quot;. the reason why those kids can miss class for their other sports and advance just the same as you is because mommy and daddy are still paying the school and they won%26#039;t pay anymore if Junior isn%26#039;t advancing. You%26#039;ve gotta love the all powerful dollar.|||I can not stand going to tournaments these days. It is no longer about the martial art. It seems that it has turned into a popularity/dance contest. Since I am now being asked to judge creative forms.... I will admit that those who are putting on a dance or gymnastics display score very low in my book. Some is nice but add a kick or two to the flashy dance moves and back flips. Martial skill is what impresses me... no gymnastics.|||Hmm. As a school owner, I have a few different views of what the martial arts would be better off without:
#1 - POLITICS!!!!! I cannot tell you how tired I am of politics in the martial arts. Even though our national governing body was just swept clean and totally taken over by the US Olympic Committee, the grassroots level associations are still pretty much old-boys clubs, and if you don%26#039;t kowtow to them, you%26#039;re pretty much blackballed as a school. Then there are the style associations. Our school has already left two because of politics! One, the head of the association was pretty much lining his pocket with membership fees and insisting that when he visited, the host school paid for every thing for him and his entire family. Want to be a certified instructor? Pay him. The second association we joined had quit the first because of politics but guess what? MORE politics! We had to follow their curriculum to the T, never mind trying to adjust stuff for our student recovering from chemo or for our student with scoliosis or for our autistic student. If we didn%26#039;t follow the requirements as written, well, these students would not receive rank. Oh, there is much much more but it all amounts to POLITICS. Hate it, hate it, hate it. Martial arts would be so much better if people could train and teach for the love of it rather than being ordered to follow some ridiculous politically charged orders.
#2 - Asian masters who look down on American Black Belts and automatically consider them inferior. Those old-boy clubs, the %26quot;don%26#039;t even address us high and mighty Asian masters%26quot; attitudes. What ever happened to martial arts courtesy???
#3 - Parents trying to force instructors to advance their child in rank just because little Zach has worked %26quot;really hard in class.%26quot; Well, it%26#039;s great that he%26#039;s put in effort in class. Effort is necessary, but it%26#039;s not the be all and end all and when your child meets his rank requirements, then we%26#039;ll talk about testing him. And by the way, parents, get your kids to practice at home! How on earth are they supposed to improve if the only time they do martial arts all week is during class???
#4 - Children%26#039;s uniforms that look like eye-bleeding billboards because of all the patches they%26#039;ve earned in class and sewn on every single inch of their uniforms. I can understand a school patch, a style patch, an association patch. But geez Louise, some of these schools have 10 zillion student of the week/lesson/month/year patches, DELTA team and STORM team and SWAT team and splits club and Black Belt Club and Leadership Team patches, rank patches (what is the belt for, then???), weapons patches and you name it! It looks awful!
#5 - detractors who know nothing about martial arts, especially traditional martial arts, and make all sorts of judgmental calls about the arts even thought they are ignorant and have never trained themselves. And these people are the ones who of course are usually the most vocal.
#6 - lack of standardization!!! Oh, it drives me nuts to see camo belts and purple belts and orange belts and brown belts whenever I go to a Tae Kwon Do tournament or testing. Hello??? World headquarters only recognizes five colors (yellow, green, blue, red, black) so what makes you think you can do better by creating your own rank system? And don%26#039;t get me started on the dozens of different types of uniforms out there!
#7 - BELT FACTORIES! Ugh! Thanks, belt factories, for giving martial arts a bad name by simply raking in money for belts instead of actually training the students who receive these undeserved ranks. Find me an art, any art, whose students of all ages and ranks are all consistently ready to test, skill-wise, every three months. The result is a bunch of mediocre or worse high-ranking students who can%26#039;t fight their way out of paper bags. Even worse, their receiving rank dilutes the true value of that rank when earned properly.
Okay, I%26#039;m stopping here, with two quick notes:
a. Although in our school. we call our Black Belts %26quot;Sir%26quot; or %26quot;Ma%26#039;am,%26quot; I have no problem with people being called Sensei or Sabunim or Sifu or Master. These titles for the most part are earned upon reaching a certain rank and undergoing years of training. If a Black Belt has devoted himself or herself to the arts and has earned the right to be called Master, then it%26#039;s respectful to recognize that dedication. It%26#039;s not as bad as a PhD insisting on being called Dr!
b. We award junior black belt rank (Poom) to those students who have worked their way up through the ranks to earn them. Skill, attendance, assisting in class, and knowledge of the art all come into play for our Poom students. We don%26#039;t test the rank lightly. We just awarded a 10 year old his Poom after 6 years of training, three times a week. Another of our Poom students is a junior world record holder in martial arts kicks and listed in Ripley%26#039;s Believe It or Not (page 246 of the new orange-cover hardback or check http://www.ripleys.com/core/answers/?p=1... ). We make sure that the rand of Junior Black Belt is indeed earned. Just wanted to let you know that there are juniors who do earn their rank... nothing irks me more than seeing a 6 year old Black Belt. As if a 6 year old understands what a Black Belt even signifies.|||It can do without most of the knife defense techniques which are more likely to get you killed than they are to protect you.|||UFC|||Martial Arts has became a fast chain food restaurant. It is much more business oriented than what is really its for. For the majority of Martial Arts schools, they have money in mind. If you seek true Martial Art way of living, you would not have much to complain about. They are out there. You just have to look for them. But the question is can you handle it? and what are you really looking for ?|||I don%26#039;t think any school should spend more than ten minutes a week on forms, if that much. The kiddie black belt thing is pretty stupid too.|||I think martial arts can do without Kata%26#039;s and any form of spinning kicks...|||Get rid of three things and all will be well in the world of Martial Arts:
-1- EGO
-2- Belts
-3- Tradition
These are the three things that have and will cause all the problems. Eliminate just one and most problems will fade away. All three are interlinked so one should or two should cause martial arts to, once again, walk the path of the truth that it was intended for it.|||The way that everybody%26#039;s making Martial Arts to be a %26quot;sport%26quot;.
I do feel that we can have some %26quot;fun%26quot; with friends and such with it.But it%26#039;s just starting to get out of hand.I think it is a slap in the face to all the %26quot;old school%26quot; martial artists for us to do that.That is why I am a practitioner of authentic Ninjutsu (Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu),because it is not a sport at all,it is an Art and a Way,it is not been polluted yet.It is straight up self-defense.|||I agree with Anamomof5 especially; and some of the other answers in the same vein. As to the exclusion of kata and other training methods deemed as to be %26quot;useless%26quot;. If you believe we can delete what we like from an art because it doesn%26#039;t fit; then fine, but don%26#039;t muck about. Go the whole hog.
Drop the Japanese/Chinese etc terminology, take away the Gis, belts, bowing etc etc; everything that is not American/ English etc.
I am the first to agree that for any martial art to remain viable as a FIGHTING ART it must adapt, and many cases, be modified in order to keep pace with best practices but there must be distinct separation from the original art.
But for the traditional ARTS, if you change them they are no longer what the Founder intended. Don%26#039;t be hypocritical.|||I agree 100% with the people who think they can learn a martial art on the internet... or on video tapes, or in any form of correspondence course. Everyone needs a sensei/sifu. I also don%26#039;t think children can be blackbelts. They can receive the belts from unscrupulous and incorrect sensei, but they do not become blackbelts. They%26#039;re children! not %26quot;dans%26quot;.... The martial arts would also be better without everyone lying about, exagerating and glorifying their lineage.
Welcome to the western world of martial arts. Lots of problems that can be rounded up into a few short terms
1. ego . People who have very larges ones simply shouldn%26#039;t be training. Don%26#039;t blame the student thought its the teachers fault for allowing them to train in the first place!
2. Politics. Yes this is an old beast that pops up from time to time. It stunts the development of students and ties the hands of good instructors that just want to train. Big fish in little ponds are mainly to blame. As they would say sod the training and build the empire!
3. Money. This should always be a side thing. As long as instructors can pay their rent and equipment then that%26#039;s all money is good for.
4. TV. Oh boy is the digital box of tricks to blame for so much. It warps young minds and the recent craze of shows doesn%26#039;t help either. School Boy martial artists reading this months copy of combat magazine. Great stuff!
5. Forms. The forms are good if interprited in the right way. Its not about doing the perfect form or doing it for show. They are fighting techniques. If you dont understand the principles of what they are trying to teach then its just painting by numbers. Good for show and competion but the heart and soul has been lost.
With regards to kids training. nothing wrong with that but a children%26#039;s black belt is not an adults grade and their classes should be kept separate. Discipline is for the parents not the art.
There are no masters in the west. You want to train with them you go to Japan!
People who say their arts are samuari should check to see if what they are doing is Koryu. Most arts aren%26#039;t even 100 years old and are modern day variants.
Thats my gripes out in the open. lol ;)
Best wishes
idai|||AnaMom --- great answer!
To add a few of my pet peeves that I would like to see go away:
1. XMA or any other %26quot;flash and trash%26quot; dance/gymnastics routines that thrown in a punch or stance and try to call what they are doing martial arts.
2. People who try to %26quot;out-tradition%26quot; other martial artists, while getting their own tradition all wrong. One of my favorite stories on that one is the guy who visited a dojo in Japan, heard someone say %26quot;shomen ni rei%26quot; and came home to announce at his students that he was henceforth to be addressed by the title %26quot;shomen%26quot;.
3. People who think a simple white or black karate uniform isn%26#039;t good enough to train in and have to come up with multi-colored, bizarre get-ups out of the most ridiculous material.
4. Oddballs who try to pretend as if they have suddenly turned Japanese just because they are training in karate. I mean, really, did you suddenly forget all the English you%26#039;ve known all your life just because you put on a gi? And what%26#039;s with the bad Japanese accent whenever someone insists that you answer them in English?
5. Parents who try to tell you how and what to teach their children and who argue with you about technique, the curriculum, when their children should test, etc.
6. Parents who think their children are precocious geniuses at martial arts, while you are ready to rip out your hair and considering opening up a remedial class to teach these same children.
7. Parents who insist on telling you, every class, what a klutz their poor kid is, while you think he%26#039;s made enormous progress. Also, parents who compare their two children and insist that the better student is really the poorer student.
8. Parents who want to dictate who their children work out with during class. %26quot;Buford is way too aggressive for my little Clarence. Please don%26#039;t have them spar. And little Clarence needs more of a challenge than Tusnelda can offer. Also, little Clarence doesn%26#039;t like Dakota, so please don%26#039;t pair them up any more. And Cheyenne once frowned at Clarence and hurt his feelings, so I wish you wouldn%26#039;t have them spare each other either.%26quot;
9. Couch potato parents who look like they couldn%26#039;t walk around the block without taking a nap --- but who yell and scream at their children during tournaments because the poor kid isn%26#039;t beating every other kid in his division at sparring.
10. Ridiculous movies that give everyone ridiculous ideas about the martial arts.|||I figure I%26#039;ll keep it simple. No need for introduction, simply opinion and fact:
1. Kiddie black belts and Mcdojos, belt factories, whatever you call them. As has already been stated, a 6 year old is not a black belt. a black belt is required to have enough knowledge to _teach_ correct form AND technique. So, sure, at 6 years old, this little guy can kick to another 6 year old%26#039;s head. Good for him. But can he teach a 30 year old, new to the art, how to kick to another 30 year old%26#039;s head, effectively, efficiently, and technically perfect? I think not. And as for %26quot;junior%26quot; black belts, sorry, but not a good compromise. When a 6 year old spends 6 years training, it%26#039;s probably mighty tempting to award him a black belt at 12. he%26#039;s still a 12 year old student. Kids spend 13 years in school and every one of those years they take an English/Reading course. No one awards them college credit because they have been taking English/Reading for 6 years. And these are kids who SPEAK english everyday, every minute of the day, without fail, since they began to talk. which is decidedly different from training 3 nights a week, 40 weeks a year (taking into account vacation, sickness, and the like). So if we can%26#039;t promote our 12 year old to college courses after 6 years of English, why would we promote them to black belt status? That%26#039;s easy: parents want something for their money, and little Johny%26#039;s new belt is a peace offering from an instructor not too eager to tell Johny or his parents that he couldn%26#039;t kick his way out of a paper bag.
2. Bullshido schools and bullshido katas in good schools. The next time I see a Combative/Supreme Pizza School of defense/Luta Libre WWE Wrestling Suplex school of Street Fighting/etc. I will seriously contemplate seppuku. I don%26#039;t know how many DVD%26#039;s and small, disreputable schools we can handle, teaching BS self-defense. The women%26#039;s defense schools teaching the %26quot;correct%26quot; way to kick someone in the testes, the %26quot;correct%26quot; way to pull hair, etc. are also high on the list. Seriously, just grazing my testicles is a good way to floor me, so how much more correct can you get? And do you expect all attackers to have long hair or something? Self-defense should comprise five steps. Look for escape routes, utilize impromptu weapons, escape, escape, escape. Now, fighting in a cage/ring/mat/etc. is a different story. The point isn%26#039;t to escape, it%26#039;s to win. So we train for one-on-one application of our artform with the intention of winning. But some schools still want to train crazy, useless, inefficient kata. Seriously, the square knife blocking reaper arm and the triple flying reverse thrust spoonkick kata aren%26#039;t effective, efficient, nor practical in any application, so why train them? some say %26quot;We all know that flying and reverse techniques aren%26#039;t useful in the ring/self defense, but we train them for tradition sake.%26quot; So you really believe that ancient masters trained students in their artform with USELESS techniques? No. Modern %26quot;masters%26quot; created these techniques to help delineate between a blue/brown/purple/rainbow belt and a black belt, ie. to make more money when selling belts. Get it out of your head that these crazy, Jet Li film maneuvers are something you want trained into your instinct and muscle memory. Seriously, the good ol%26#039; roundhouse, jab, cross, uppercut, hook, elbow, knee, and sidekick are about as useful as it%26#039;s going to get. Sure, you should train them from every angle, even, grudgingly, training a couple reverses for when you miss a roundhouse or sidekick, but seriously, there%26#039;s no need for flying triple reverse crescent hook heel moonkicks finishing with a ballet plie or en pointe. It%26#039;s all just garbage.
3. If your striking art doesn%26#039;t train ground fighting or your ground art doesn%26#039;t train striking, don%26#039;t try to cobble something together from %26quot;ancient manuscripts%26quot; or watching alot of UFC or K-1. Serious, just teach what you know and try to get a student sharing system with an artform that compliments yours. That is the best way to compromise. Look into other artforms with some of the same heritage as yours, or artforms that compliment your techniques. This means a Wing Chun practicioner probably shouldn%26#039;t go with a BJJ teacher to compliment, since they are fairly dipolar opposite in thinking and technique. But, equally, a BJJ teacher probably shouldn%26#039;t choose silat as a complimentary style, and so on. if your style is hard, quick, and external, choose a style of the same nature. On the other hand, if it is soft, slow, and internal, then you should again choose something of that vein. Which brings me to my next sticking point.
4. Don%26#039;t claim your artform is %26quot;pure%26quot; if your students are using a mix of artforms in their fighting. There%26#039;s nothing I hate more than watching a %26quot;purist%26quot; style claiming victory for it%26#039;s style, using another style%26#039;s exact movements. This happens more and more when I see %26quot;chin na%26quot; as a ground art for Kung Fu artists. The problem? Ancient Chin Na and even Chin Na before the UFC had little actual groundwork. It, like most artforms, largely used standing locks and dislocations for its grappling, as well as small joint manipulation and pressure point fighting. Now I see people training in %26quot;chin na%26quot; who use the guard, half-guard, mount, armbars, and other techniques tied to jujutsu, judo, and BJJ, claiming that chin na has had these for hundreds of years. Seriously, just admit that you are teaching a mixed martial art and not a %26quot;purist%26quot; art, instead of misrepresenting your heritage. I am more than glad to admit that I trained BJJ with a gi before moving to no-gi grappling. I am more than happy to admit that I still use judo throws, Aikido circular movements and wrist grips, the standing sidekick as taught to me in karate, and other techniques that work from all of the arts I have trained in, all to supplement my Muay Thai and grappling. I will never make the claim that I am a pure Thai fighter. I%26#039;m not.
5. As already stated, politics is a horrific detractor from martial arts, and the leading cause of problems 1-4 above. Without %26quot;your art sucks, mine is superior%26quot; and %26quot;my art is older than yours and we have belts%26quot;, none of this would happen. In fact, arts would share more and be more open to change when they see that they are becoming ineffective if we%26#039;d get over it all. We might see hard japanese styles like shotokan adapting their punches to be delivered from different stances to accomodate the MMA and self-defense of today instead of holding to traditional methods which were meant to break bamboo armor and attack armed samurai. Instead, we see sports claiming to be self-defense, self-defense arts of the 1600%26#039;s claiming to be effective against guns and knives today, and %26quot;ancient%26quot; arts with hazy pedigrees claiming to be the superior artform of all time. Sounds alot like one politician saying %26quot;Don%26#039;t listen to him, he%26#039;s lying%26quot; about his rival, who says the same about him.|||it%26#039;d be better without the thugs they sometimes create, the egoheads. the sensei thing kinda sucks too.|||HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! sorry, i very much enjoyed your venting and i agree with you 100% espcially about the kiddie black belts and the samurai sword. it is a katana and when the owner is an actual samurai, then they can call it a smaurai sword. one of my gripes is when a school makes up they%26#039;re own belts....what the heck is up with the %26quot;CAMO-belt%26quot;!?!?! and belt want to find a ninjitsu school in the US just so they can go around playing Naruto like a %26quot;real%26quot; ninja. you%26#039;re better off watching TNMT. i hate the way that some schoole require you to recruit at least 2-3 students inorder to recieve their black belt, and are all about money and contracts. i understand that people need to make a living but some people really bring truth to the term %26quot;McDojo%26quot;. the reason why those kids can miss class for their other sports and advance just the same as you is because mommy and daddy are still paying the school and they won%26#039;t pay anymore if Junior isn%26#039;t advancing. You%26#039;ve gotta love the all powerful dollar.|||I can not stand going to tournaments these days. It is no longer about the martial art. It seems that it has turned into a popularity/dance contest. Since I am now being asked to judge creative forms.... I will admit that those who are putting on a dance or gymnastics display score very low in my book. Some is nice but add a kick or two to the flashy dance moves and back flips. Martial skill is what impresses me... no gymnastics.|||Hmm. As a school owner, I have a few different views of what the martial arts would be better off without:
#1 - POLITICS!!!!! I cannot tell you how tired I am of politics in the martial arts. Even though our national governing body was just swept clean and totally taken over by the US Olympic Committee, the grassroots level associations are still pretty much old-boys clubs, and if you don%26#039;t kowtow to them, you%26#039;re pretty much blackballed as a school. Then there are the style associations. Our school has already left two because of politics! One, the head of the association was pretty much lining his pocket with membership fees and insisting that when he visited, the host school paid for every thing for him and his entire family. Want to be a certified instructor? Pay him. The second association we joined had quit the first because of politics but guess what? MORE politics! We had to follow their curriculum to the T, never mind trying to adjust stuff for our student recovering from chemo or for our student with scoliosis or for our autistic student. If we didn%26#039;t follow the requirements as written, well, these students would not receive rank. Oh, there is much much more but it all amounts to POLITICS. Hate it, hate it, hate it. Martial arts would be so much better if people could train and teach for the love of it rather than being ordered to follow some ridiculous politically charged orders.
#2 - Asian masters who look down on American Black Belts and automatically consider them inferior. Those old-boy clubs, the %26quot;don%26#039;t even address us high and mighty Asian masters%26quot; attitudes. What ever happened to martial arts courtesy???
#3 - Parents trying to force instructors to advance their child in rank just because little Zach has worked %26quot;really hard in class.%26quot; Well, it%26#039;s great that he%26#039;s put in effort in class. Effort is necessary, but it%26#039;s not the be all and end all and when your child meets his rank requirements, then we%26#039;ll talk about testing him. And by the way, parents, get your kids to practice at home! How on earth are they supposed to improve if the only time they do martial arts all week is during class???
#4 - Children%26#039;s uniforms that look like eye-bleeding billboards because of all the patches they%26#039;ve earned in class and sewn on every single inch of their uniforms. I can understand a school patch, a style patch, an association patch. But geez Louise, some of these schools have 10 zillion student of the week/lesson/month/year patches, DELTA team and STORM team and SWAT team and splits club and Black Belt Club and Leadership Team patches, rank patches (what is the belt for, then???), weapons patches and you name it! It looks awful!
#5 - detractors who know nothing about martial arts, especially traditional martial arts, and make all sorts of judgmental calls about the arts even thought they are ignorant and have never trained themselves. And these people are the ones who of course are usually the most vocal.
#6 - lack of standardization!!! Oh, it drives me nuts to see camo belts and purple belts and orange belts and brown belts whenever I go to a Tae Kwon Do tournament or testing. Hello??? World headquarters only recognizes five colors (yellow, green, blue, red, black) so what makes you think you can do better by creating your own rank system? And don%26#039;t get me started on the dozens of different types of uniforms out there!
#7 - BELT FACTORIES! Ugh! Thanks, belt factories, for giving martial arts a bad name by simply raking in money for belts instead of actually training the students who receive these undeserved ranks. Find me an art, any art, whose students of all ages and ranks are all consistently ready to test, skill-wise, every three months. The result is a bunch of mediocre or worse high-ranking students who can%26#039;t fight their way out of paper bags. Even worse, their receiving rank dilutes the true value of that rank when earned properly.
Okay, I%26#039;m stopping here, with two quick notes:
a. Although in our school. we call our Black Belts %26quot;Sir%26quot; or %26quot;Ma%26#039;am,%26quot; I have no problem with people being called Sensei or Sabunim or Sifu or Master. These titles for the most part are earned upon reaching a certain rank and undergoing years of training. If a Black Belt has devoted himself or herself to the arts and has earned the right to be called Master, then it%26#039;s respectful to recognize that dedication. It%26#039;s not as bad as a PhD insisting on being called Dr!
b. We award junior black belt rank (Poom) to those students who have worked their way up through the ranks to earn them. Skill, attendance, assisting in class, and knowledge of the art all come into play for our Poom students. We don%26#039;t test the rank lightly. We just awarded a 10 year old his Poom after 6 years of training, three times a week. Another of our Poom students is a junior world record holder in martial arts kicks and listed in Ripley%26#039;s Believe It or Not (page 246 of the new orange-cover hardback or check http://www.ripleys.com/core/answers/?p=1... ). We make sure that the rand of Junior Black Belt is indeed earned. Just wanted to let you know that there are juniors who do earn their rank... nothing irks me more than seeing a 6 year old Black Belt. As if a 6 year old understands what a Black Belt even signifies.|||It can do without most of the knife defense techniques which are more likely to get you killed than they are to protect you.|||UFC|||Martial Arts has became a fast chain food restaurant. It is much more business oriented than what is really its for. For the majority of Martial Arts schools, they have money in mind. If you seek true Martial Art way of living, you would not have much to complain about. They are out there. You just have to look for them. But the question is can you handle it? and what are you really looking for ?|||I don%26#039;t think any school should spend more than ten minutes a week on forms, if that much. The kiddie black belt thing is pretty stupid too.|||I think martial arts can do without Kata%26#039;s and any form of spinning kicks...|||Get rid of three things and all will be well in the world of Martial Arts:
-1- EGO
-2- Belts
-3- Tradition
These are the three things that have and will cause all the problems. Eliminate just one and most problems will fade away. All three are interlinked so one should or two should cause martial arts to, once again, walk the path of the truth that it was intended for it.|||The way that everybody%26#039;s making Martial Arts to be a %26quot;sport%26quot;.
I do feel that we can have some %26quot;fun%26quot; with friends and such with it.But it%26#039;s just starting to get out of hand.I think it is a slap in the face to all the %26quot;old school%26quot; martial artists for us to do that.That is why I am a practitioner of authentic Ninjutsu (Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu),because it is not a sport at all,it is an Art and a Way,it is not been polluted yet.It is straight up self-defense.|||I agree with Anamomof5 especially; and some of the other answers in the same vein. As to the exclusion of kata and other training methods deemed as to be %26quot;useless%26quot;. If you believe we can delete what we like from an art because it doesn%26#039;t fit; then fine, but don%26#039;t muck about. Go the whole hog.
Drop the Japanese/Chinese etc terminology, take away the Gis, belts, bowing etc etc; everything that is not American/ English etc.
I am the first to agree that for any martial art to remain viable as a FIGHTING ART it must adapt, and many cases, be modified in order to keep pace with best practices but there must be distinct separation from the original art.
But for the traditional ARTS, if you change them they are no longer what the Founder intended. Don%26#039;t be hypocritical.|||I agree 100% with the people who think they can learn a martial art on the internet... or on video tapes, or in any form of correspondence course. Everyone needs a sensei/sifu. I also don%26#039;t think children can be blackbelts. They can receive the belts from unscrupulous and incorrect sensei, but they do not become blackbelts. They%26#039;re children! not %26quot;dans%26quot;.... The martial arts would also be better without everyone lying about, exagerating and glorifying their lineage.
Does anyone have clips showing how martial arts are evolving?
I need a couple videos to show how martial arts have been changing (i.e Jujitsu became Judo). I would also like videos of how weapons have changed, for example, the Okinawa weapons. If anyone has any videos or even pictures of paintings showing how these styles began and what they have become, it would be much appreciated.|||http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlYD-j9GS...|||The Okinawan weapons do not change.
The new mentality that says things have to change so they can get better is ruining martial arts.
They don%26#039;t need to evolve, they just need to be taught correctly so they can be properly rounded and complete.|||Good post by Sensei Scandal. There are a few on youtube but you will need to research them first since MMA is not an evolution in martial arts as they claim but rather just another type of sport to use martial arts. Good luck.|||The martial arts are not evolving, just because a popular sport portrays the art in a different light means nothing.
The new mentality that says things have to change so they can get better is ruining martial arts.
They don%26#039;t need to evolve, they just need to be taught correctly so they can be properly rounded and complete.|||Good post by Sensei Scandal. There are a few on youtube but you will need to research them first since MMA is not an evolution in martial arts as they claim but rather just another type of sport to use martial arts. Good luck.|||The martial arts are not evolving, just because a popular sport portrays the art in a different light means nothing.
The practicality of martial arts in general today?
As I read this forum and I reflect on my own training and the effort I put into it for self defense. I wonder, is it all that useful?
Wing Chun upper body movement, High School Wrestling for ground, Tang Soo Do for lower body movement, all great arts for me. But how useful is it against someone in the streets of Detroit with a gun or knife?
Grappling is argued to be one of the most effective ways to defeat your opponent on a 1 on 1 basis. But being a close range ground art and having an opponent 15 feet away with a gun, how are you gonna cover the distance before getting sport?
Striking, namely fast hard kicks, have been spoken of to defeat many opponents at one time and would be a better option to pick then. However, there%26#039;s still distance to cover and my even the longest of legs do not exceed 4 and a half feet. How else are you to cover the distance?
What I%26#039;m saying is, with the availability of guns/knives, combined with their ease of use. How useful truly martial arts today?|||Guns are only dangerous when they are loaded and if it is in the hands of an expert other than that it is useless I saw people who used to carry guns and still got beaten up by some thugs who are REALLY eager to jump him, and really did jump him, those thugs waited for the %26quot;he will reload%26quot; minute and acted upon it quickly, and about knives I thought Wing Chun was supposed to teach you how to disarm??? Anyway Martial arts is still useful now and forever, the discipline alone could help us everyday in different situations
soldiers even practice Martial arts too, despite the fact that we could only push a button and the opponent is dead, BUT hey Martial arts still IMPORTANT
oh and a real Martial artist will walk away from trouble, and if you have multiple opponents trust me, the chances that you would win is very, very slim so Martial arts will help to give you time to escape or call the cops|||yeah forget going to class and working out.... just buy a gun and sit on your couch and eat potato chips? for some people its a way of life, for others its exercise, for others it is for self esteem... i could ask the same ? about religion... but some people want it and others need it. Usefulness... how about my daughter gets attacked by a dog, or an unarmed (or armed I%26#039;d still kill him) pedophile (yeah I%26#039;m going to jail and he is gonna die)... Maybe my time in martial arts taught me to respect people... sure what good is that... Maybe it taught me how to be a better man and to be a better father... to instill discipline and values into my children... but your right, a machine gun could wipe us all out and it would have all been for nothing.|||They serve much in the way they always did, as a last resort if you didn%26#039;t have or had lost your weapon on the battlefeild(with the exception of things such as kendo) they were never meant as the primary means of fighting in any society and they aren%26#039;t today either, we have tanks, planes, missiles, guns etc. for that. today they are still a last resort, if you are unarmed and cannot run away its better to know something(provided its a useful martial art and not say tae bo) than nothing, that will increase your chances of survival even if only 5% or something|||You are correct in that a gun in the hands of a person 15-20 feet away has a huge advantage and they can get off two shots with just a revolver before you close the distance. Over half the gun shootings in this country take place at a much lesser distance according to the Department of Justice crime statistics. Most people are stabbed at close range. Knifes usually are not balanced and when thrown have much chance of hitting their target. Either weapon though is a serious risk to a person and so that is why you avoid those situations whenever possible but practice dealing with them for years in the event that you are confronted with a weapon and have no way of avoiding it.
If you are confronted with a weapon then usually it is a combination of strikes, knees, elbows, punches, and kicks along with some joint lock type maneuvers that will enable you to gain control of the weapon rather than just one particular type of counter or technique.|||You raise a good question and the best answer is people do indeed expect too much from martial arts.
The modern martial arts philosophy of %26#039;self defence%26#039; is beating the bad guy, who in theory is always bigger, nastier and better armed than you, and finding some way to do it.
In fact the art of war is all about siezing the initiative. If you are being attacked for any reason, you have already lost half the battle before you even start. Someone in your intelligence section has fallen asleep and allowed you to get into this mess before you realised it.
The simple fact is if you turn it around into %26#039;attack%26#039; and you are the bad guy with the knife or the gun, or who is stronger or who hits first, you have won already.
Now I%26#039;m not saying you can go round shooting people! It may be that the %26#039;inititiave%26#039; is you don;t near bad areas, or become rich enough to hire bodyguards or get a permit to carry whatever.
It is more about mentality of always having the initiative right from the start, where you don%26#039;t try and create martial arts as some magical formula to lifes bad problems.
In other words don%26#039;t be afraid to say %26quot;As good as I am my martial arts are almost useless in this scenario%26quot; and feel good about thinking of other ways to get around it.|||You are right that guns are dangerous, but I think you are forgetting one of the most important things that you must have learned in all of your training. You learned to read and out think your opponent.
Most guys with guns and knives like to intimidate and will wave it in your face before they will pull the trigger. They get off on any fear that their intended victim might show.
Believe it or not...
As a martial artist you have been taught to recognize possible dangers and to analyze risk even if you are not conscious of it.
Who says that you have to sit still and be a victim... The statistics show; that unless trained in how to shoot, that your assailant has only a 10% chance of actually hitting a moving target. So distract your attacker and run away. Better to be smart and live another day than go home in a %26quot;hero%26#039;s%26quot; body bag.|||Martial arts is useful for keeping a healthy mind and body. Think of it as a sport.
As for practicality, i think it is best to ask the instructors|||Well if someone has a gun close to you, martial art usually teaches you how to disarm and defend. Same with a knife. However I would personally prefer to have someone up close with a gun than with a knife because there is a greater chance of getting cut than shot up close...control the barrel of the gun.
If someone has a weapon with an apparent advantage, best bet is to run =D AAAHHHH|||Training and study of the martial arts is about much more than simply learning how to defend yourself. It is about overall balance, fitness, mental agility, physical awareness, increased sensitivity, and much more besides.
The truest self-defense technique may be the one that is the hardest to %26quot;teach%26quot; and the technique that sneaks up on one before you realize it - self-confidence. Most criminals and bullies look for easy targets. Competent martial artists don%26#039;t %26quot;appear%26quot; to be easy targets on the whole. In all the years I%26#039;ve been involved in the martial arts it is very rare to hear of a story of a black belt master or grand master being forced to physically defend themselves. Undoubtedly it happens on occassion, but I personally believe the training and preparation allows them to avoid problems, de-escalate trouble, and evade the need to defend physically.
With regard to defense against any weapon, I would always bet on someone who is in tune with their body and whose reactions should be faster and more controlled that a lay person to survive against almost any weapon you may meet on the streets. Martial arts training specifically prepares you for the unexpected, and trains your own weapon - your body - to react instictively, in the most appropriate way possible for the given circumstances. That provides an advantage someone untrained will not posses. It doesn%26#039;t guarantee anytthing, but it may provide the fraction of an inch or fraction of a second that makes the difference between living and dying.
As to someone with a firearm. As an ex military policemen and VIP protection officer, only a few people out there are trained properly to use a handgun effectively at anything beyond five feet when their target may be moving and when their own adrenalin may be flowing. Most police officers are not very good marksmen when the target is moving and beyond 10 feet. Very few thugs that may confront you on the street will be any better. The quicker you react, the faster you run away, the greater the distance you put between you and the weapon - the greater your chances of surviving the incident. I would argue martial arts training may just give you the critical response timing and physical ability that may just make the difference.
I personally believe martial arts training today is as absolutely necessary for everyone in our society as they have been for thousands of years, but perhaps for somewhat different reasons in the modern era.
Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do|||You ask an excellent question, and the answer is, all your training may not work. You seem to be trained in 3 excellent systems, and you are smart enough to realize it won%26#039;t help you stop bullets. What you have is wisdom. The benefits of martial arts though are that in a situation, you%26#039;ll at least have a chance. Look at the Virginia Tech massacre last year. If a few of those students were martial artists, perhaps something could have been done. The gunman wouldn%26#039;t have known who the martial artist was, and where the attack was coming from before it did. Other situations, like drive-by shootings, can%26#039;t be fixed by martial arts.
Wing Chun upper body movement, High School Wrestling for ground, Tang Soo Do for lower body movement, all great arts for me. But how useful is it against someone in the streets of Detroit with a gun or knife?
Grappling is argued to be one of the most effective ways to defeat your opponent on a 1 on 1 basis. But being a close range ground art and having an opponent 15 feet away with a gun, how are you gonna cover the distance before getting sport?
Striking, namely fast hard kicks, have been spoken of to defeat many opponents at one time and would be a better option to pick then. However, there%26#039;s still distance to cover and my even the longest of legs do not exceed 4 and a half feet. How else are you to cover the distance?
What I%26#039;m saying is, with the availability of guns/knives, combined with their ease of use. How useful truly martial arts today?|||Guns are only dangerous when they are loaded and if it is in the hands of an expert other than that it is useless I saw people who used to carry guns and still got beaten up by some thugs who are REALLY eager to jump him, and really did jump him, those thugs waited for the %26quot;he will reload%26quot; minute and acted upon it quickly, and about knives I thought Wing Chun was supposed to teach you how to disarm??? Anyway Martial arts is still useful now and forever, the discipline alone could help us everyday in different situations
soldiers even practice Martial arts too, despite the fact that we could only push a button and the opponent is dead, BUT hey Martial arts still IMPORTANT
oh and a real Martial artist will walk away from trouble, and if you have multiple opponents trust me, the chances that you would win is very, very slim so Martial arts will help to give you time to escape or call the cops|||yeah forget going to class and working out.... just buy a gun and sit on your couch and eat potato chips? for some people its a way of life, for others its exercise, for others it is for self esteem... i could ask the same ? about religion... but some people want it and others need it. Usefulness... how about my daughter gets attacked by a dog, or an unarmed (or armed I%26#039;d still kill him) pedophile (yeah I%26#039;m going to jail and he is gonna die)... Maybe my time in martial arts taught me to respect people... sure what good is that... Maybe it taught me how to be a better man and to be a better father... to instill discipline and values into my children... but your right, a machine gun could wipe us all out and it would have all been for nothing.|||They serve much in the way they always did, as a last resort if you didn%26#039;t have or had lost your weapon on the battlefeild(with the exception of things such as kendo) they were never meant as the primary means of fighting in any society and they aren%26#039;t today either, we have tanks, planes, missiles, guns etc. for that. today they are still a last resort, if you are unarmed and cannot run away its better to know something(provided its a useful martial art and not say tae bo) than nothing, that will increase your chances of survival even if only 5% or something|||You are correct in that a gun in the hands of a person 15-20 feet away has a huge advantage and they can get off two shots with just a revolver before you close the distance. Over half the gun shootings in this country take place at a much lesser distance according to the Department of Justice crime statistics. Most people are stabbed at close range. Knifes usually are not balanced and when thrown have much chance of hitting their target. Either weapon though is a serious risk to a person and so that is why you avoid those situations whenever possible but practice dealing with them for years in the event that you are confronted with a weapon and have no way of avoiding it.
If you are confronted with a weapon then usually it is a combination of strikes, knees, elbows, punches, and kicks along with some joint lock type maneuvers that will enable you to gain control of the weapon rather than just one particular type of counter or technique.|||You raise a good question and the best answer is people do indeed expect too much from martial arts.
The modern martial arts philosophy of %26#039;self defence%26#039; is beating the bad guy, who in theory is always bigger, nastier and better armed than you, and finding some way to do it.
In fact the art of war is all about siezing the initiative. If you are being attacked for any reason, you have already lost half the battle before you even start. Someone in your intelligence section has fallen asleep and allowed you to get into this mess before you realised it.
The simple fact is if you turn it around into %26#039;attack%26#039; and you are the bad guy with the knife or the gun, or who is stronger or who hits first, you have won already.
Now I%26#039;m not saying you can go round shooting people! It may be that the %26#039;inititiave%26#039; is you don;t near bad areas, or become rich enough to hire bodyguards or get a permit to carry whatever.
It is more about mentality of always having the initiative right from the start, where you don%26#039;t try and create martial arts as some magical formula to lifes bad problems.
In other words don%26#039;t be afraid to say %26quot;As good as I am my martial arts are almost useless in this scenario%26quot; and feel good about thinking of other ways to get around it.|||You are right that guns are dangerous, but I think you are forgetting one of the most important things that you must have learned in all of your training. You learned to read and out think your opponent.
Most guys with guns and knives like to intimidate and will wave it in your face before they will pull the trigger. They get off on any fear that their intended victim might show.
Believe it or not...
As a martial artist you have been taught to recognize possible dangers and to analyze risk even if you are not conscious of it.
Who says that you have to sit still and be a victim... The statistics show; that unless trained in how to shoot, that your assailant has only a 10% chance of actually hitting a moving target. So distract your attacker and run away. Better to be smart and live another day than go home in a %26quot;hero%26#039;s%26quot; body bag.|||Martial arts is useful for keeping a healthy mind and body. Think of it as a sport.
As for practicality, i think it is best to ask the instructors|||Well if someone has a gun close to you, martial art usually teaches you how to disarm and defend. Same with a knife. However I would personally prefer to have someone up close with a gun than with a knife because there is a greater chance of getting cut than shot up close...control the barrel of the gun.
If someone has a weapon with an apparent advantage, best bet is to run =D AAAHHHH|||Training and study of the martial arts is about much more than simply learning how to defend yourself. It is about overall balance, fitness, mental agility, physical awareness, increased sensitivity, and much more besides.
The truest self-defense technique may be the one that is the hardest to %26quot;teach%26quot; and the technique that sneaks up on one before you realize it - self-confidence. Most criminals and bullies look for easy targets. Competent martial artists don%26#039;t %26quot;appear%26quot; to be easy targets on the whole. In all the years I%26#039;ve been involved in the martial arts it is very rare to hear of a story of a black belt master or grand master being forced to physically defend themselves. Undoubtedly it happens on occassion, but I personally believe the training and preparation allows them to avoid problems, de-escalate trouble, and evade the need to defend physically.
With regard to defense against any weapon, I would always bet on someone who is in tune with their body and whose reactions should be faster and more controlled that a lay person to survive against almost any weapon you may meet on the streets. Martial arts training specifically prepares you for the unexpected, and trains your own weapon - your body - to react instictively, in the most appropriate way possible for the given circumstances. That provides an advantage someone untrained will not posses. It doesn%26#039;t guarantee anytthing, but it may provide the fraction of an inch or fraction of a second that makes the difference between living and dying.
As to someone with a firearm. As an ex military policemen and VIP protection officer, only a few people out there are trained properly to use a handgun effectively at anything beyond five feet when their target may be moving and when their own adrenalin may be flowing. Most police officers are not very good marksmen when the target is moving and beyond 10 feet. Very few thugs that may confront you on the street will be any better. The quicker you react, the faster you run away, the greater the distance you put between you and the weapon - the greater your chances of surviving the incident. I would argue martial arts training may just give you the critical response timing and physical ability that may just make the difference.
I personally believe martial arts training today is as absolutely necessary for everyone in our society as they have been for thousands of years, but perhaps for somewhat different reasons in the modern era.
Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do|||You ask an excellent question, and the answer is, all your training may not work. You seem to be trained in 3 excellent systems, and you are smart enough to realize it won%26#039;t help you stop bullets. What you have is wisdom. The benefits of martial arts though are that in a situation, you%26#039;ll at least have a chance. Look at the Virginia Tech massacre last year. If a few of those students were martial artists, perhaps something could have been done. The gunman wouldn%26#039;t have known who the martial artist was, and where the attack was coming from before it did. Other situations, like drive-by shootings, can%26#039;t be fixed by martial arts.
What are the belt levels for martial arts?
What are the belt levels for various martial arts? Krarate, Taekwondo, and any other martial arts that have belt levels.|||There are many fanciful stories relating to the origin of the belt system. So one story goes: In the early days of martial arts, all students trained outside and, as now, wore a white belt. Because the belt was never washed as a symbol of hard work put forth into ones training (as is still today), the belts got dirty. Training on grass made the belts green, eventually they became dirty (brown), then very dirty (black). Fighting over time left blood on the belt, hence the red belt of masters and grandmasters. Great story, but only a story.
Early practitioners of martial arts in China, Okinawa and Japan, did not wear specified uniforms let alone a belt to hold it together. Before the introduction of the belt or ranks in martial arts, many of the traditional Japanese arts between 1600 and 1868 used a complicated Menkyo ranking system to license their students with a certificate or letter to practice and teach the skills of a specific art. These arts ranged from martial arts to calligraphy to the traditional tea ceremony.
During the 1880’s, Professor Jigoro Kano developed Judo. In his new martial art style, he borrowed the ranking system used by the Japanese public schools where belt ranks were used by different athletic groups, most notably for ranking swimmers. The use of belt ranking for the swimmers is deeply rooted in Japan%26#039;s martial arts mystique. The origins of the swimmers belts came from the samurai who, in addition to their training, needed to know how to swim and fight with and without their armor – 3 different swimmer ranks. Thus, in Professor Kano’s first Judo school, the beginnings of the Kyu/Dan (pronounced: q/don) belt ranking system popular today started. Initially, only black or white belts were used to signify rank amongst his students. The belt colors were to recognize which students could take part in which activities. For example: “Best not to throw a student who doesn%26#039;t have the proven ability to handle being thrown.”
The transfer of belt ranking from Judo to Karate came later. Belt colors were very simple in the early days. Students started out as white belts signifying purity and equality among beginners, next came a brown belt and then a black upon Dan ranking. This signified their readiness to begin serious training. The blue, yellow, orange, green, and purple belts that intermediate students wear are thought to have originated in Europe and were at some point imported into the United States martial arts systems during the 1950%26#039;s. Today, most martial art styles have some form of recognition in belts. The number of belts available and the order of color depends on the karate style. Some things haven%26#039;t changed; beginners generally start out as white belts followed by green, brown, and black. Colors in between may vary. Some systems don%26#039;t use all of these colors, and others use colored tape to mark degrees of rank.
For whatever reason the wearing of colored belts evolved from, the wearing of the black belt still represents a significant achievement in both technical skill and in some cases competitive ability. Whatever color your belt is, wear it with pride, dignity and most of all honor, because it represents a long line of tradition, the lineage of the roots of your teacher and your school and your dedication and commitment to yourself and learning martial arts.|||Belt levels are the American method of separating YOU from YOUR MONEY.
In Japan, they have three belts, White, Brown, and Black. It has been alleged that the Japanese belt system actually had more to do with the belt getting dirty over the years.
Regardless, in American systems, you take your belt test, you pay, you get your next belt.
That%26#039;s another reason I like San Soo, you get your belt after time in rank, not by test.|||depends on the style and school.
Also some martial arts have alternatives to belts if they even bother with them at all like muai thai or chines martial arts.
The only system that belt ranks are what they are (you don%26#039;t have black belts that have no fighting ability, as is common in many many martial arts) and if someone is a particular rank then you know they earned it is brazillian jiu jitsu.
EDIT: There are both sides of an argument for or against ranking systems.
It can be good because it gives students a sense of accomplishment so they stay.
It can be bad because the school can be pushed into giving ranks to undeserving students to meet quotas or make the school look better by having more black belts or higher ranking belts.
Personally I don%26#039;t like the ranking Idea and have refused to test in the past in virtually all my arts beyond a certain point because If I ever get into a fight and it is uncovered that I take martial arts and am ranked, It could legally be used against me that I had %26quot;more%26quot; knowledge and should have shown restraint, when in reality, in a real fight, who knows what the hell can happen and I don%26#039;t want to be the victem of the misconception that a martial artist can take on a raging army of 50 giants and not be hurt (thanks hollywood).|||it first varies by the discipline and then by the organization that the school is affiliated with since they all have a small amount of confliction as to how the discipline should be taught. while some schools follow a strict or %26quot;traditional%26quot; code for ranks, others may have a more loose interpretation of it.
some schools will use a number of stripes for %26quot;in between%26quot; belt ranks for more seinor to junior belt ranks while others may just use the next color belt as the rank. the stripes in between usually mean that they are more advanced than the color they are currently wearing but not quite ready for the next rank (ie they may wear a yelloew belt with one orange stripe, meaning they are slightly more advanced than that of someone wearing only a yellow belt)
Most of the disciplines out there have some kind of ranking system to seperate the more advanced students from the junior ranks.|||I have a brown and black belt, bought them at Target.|||In Traditional Shotokan Karate, between each belt, there are from one to two small tape stripes on the end of the belt. It starts from white... to white with a black stripe in the middle of the whole belt... to yellow... to yellow with black... to blue... to blue with black... to green... to green with black... to purple... to purple with black... to brown... to brown with black worn on the outside... to brown with black worn on the inside... to black... and eacn degree of black has a red strip of tape on one end of the belt.|||Belt levels are different in every form of martial arts. They may even be different from school to school even though the forms are the same. The purpose is to show and encourage progress.|||white,yellow,gold,orange,green,red,purpl...|||in WTF taekwondo.
white belt to yellow tag=9th kup (sometimes called gup)
yellow tag to yellow belt=8th kup.
yellow belt to green tag=7th kup.
green tag to green belt=6th kup.
green belt to blue tag=5th kup.
blue tag to blue belt=4th kup.
blue belt to red tag=3rd kup.
red tag to red belt=2nd kup.
red belt to black tag=1st kup.
black tag to black belt=1st dan.
from 1st dan to 2nd dan usually (depending on the organisation) takes 2 years. and from 2nd dan to 3rd dan three years etc. up to a maximum 10th dan in theory but this is usually bestowed on the person as opposed to taking a grading for a life of dedication to the martial arts.|||It depends on the School and not all WTF Taekwondo or similar schools use the same belt system. My school we do a lot more forms than most Taekwondo Schools (40 + forms to get to black belt) So we need more Belts.
White
White Yellow Stripe
White Black Stripe
Yellow
Yellow White Stripe
Yellow Black Stripe
Orange
Orange White Stripe
Orange Black Stripe
Purple
Purple White Stripe
Purple Black Stripe
Green
Green White Stripe
Green Black Stripe
Blue
Blue White Stripe
Blue Black Stripe
Brown
Brown White Stripe
Brown Black Stripe
Red
Red white Stripe
Red Black Stripe
Black
Plus its usually on the average 4-6 months between testings so it takes a long time to get to black. I remember when it took me 2 1/2 years to get from White Belt to Orange Black Stripe and at most schools (McDojangs) they have promoted someone to black belt by then. But that is the average time for my school. That must be the reason we dominate at tournaments.|||it varies by style. traditional okinawan styles are as follows: white, yellow, orange, green, brown, first degree black-eighth degree black. other okinawan styles add the red belt after the black and some stlyes add a purple belt in between the green and brown belts.|||There is a lot of variation. What is standard is that white belt is the lowest, black is the highest %26amp; green is in the middle. Red or brown is usually just before black. In my association, the order is white, yellow, green, purple, brown %26amp; black. Many schools have orange, blue %26amp; red in place of or in addition to yellow, purple %26amp; brown. Some have camo.|||It varies from school to school . Most start with white as the first belt and advance to other colors . Black is not always the final belt either . Here are two examples .
White _ /_ White
Yellow _/_ Purple
Purple _ / _ Blue
Green _ / _ Blue / Green
Blue _/_ Green
Red _/_ Green / Brown
Brown _/_ Brown
Black - 1st through 9th _/_ Brown / Black
Red Sash _/_ Black - 1st through 5th
_________ /_ Red / White
_________ /_ Gold|||Rank Structure for Adults Aikido
Rank Belt Color Training Days Age
White 6 months
Yellow 6 months
5th Kyu Green 6 months
4th Kyu Blue 6 months
3rd Kyu Blue 3 months
2nd Kyu Brown 6 months
1st Kyu Brown 3 months
1st Dan Black 6 months 15
2nd Dan Black
3rd Dan Black
4th Dan Black 22
5th Dan Black 5 years
6th Dan Black 6 years 33
7th Dan Black 12 years 45
8th Dan Black 15 years 60
Rank Structure for Juniors and Children (ages 6 - 13)
Rank Belt Color Training Days Age
10th Kyu Purple 20 6
9th Kyu Yellow 20 7
8th Kyu Orange 30 8
7th Kyu Blue 45 9
6th Kyu Green 60 10
5th Kyu Green 60 11|||Kung Fu is, white, yellow, green, purple, brown, and black. Then you get your degrees which are red stripes on your black belt|||white
yellow
orange
green
brown
black|||Please do not focus on rank. It only has relative value. It changes from style to style and school to school so much that it has no real value.
Too many people are training for the rank instead of training to learn.
Rank means nothing, it is just a method of organization for students.|||Butokukan karate is
white
1st orange
2nd orange
1st purple
2nd purle
1st green
2nd green
3rd green
1st brown
2nd brown
3rd brown
1st black
2nd black
3rd black
4th black
5th black
6th black
7th black
8th black
9th black
10th black
red belt- grand master
10 weeks in between testing if you mess up you have to wait 7 more weeks than the rest of class. takes most 10 years to get to black and you are not allowed to test every time. Sensei will not let you test if he thinks you are ot ready.|||It all depends on the club. I study Karate and my club has ten low level (coloured) grades (Kyu) before reaching the first black belt (Dan) grade. Our highest grade is the 5th Dan chief instructor.
Kyu grades count down while Dan grades count up. So 10th Kyu is the lowested graded level and 1st Kyu is the last grade before black belt 1st Dan.
Our belt colours are:
Ungraded - White
10th Kyu - Red
9th Kyu - Blue
8th Kyu - Purple with white stripe
7th Kyu - Purple
6th Kyu - Yellow
5th Kyu - Orange
4th Kyu - Green with white stripe
3rd Kyu - Green
2nd Kyu - Brown with white stripe
1st Kyu - Brown
1st Dan - Black|||judo(white,yellow,orange,
green,blue,brown,balck belt up to10
dan)also aikido and karate is similar 2 it.
Early practitioners of martial arts in China, Okinawa and Japan, did not wear specified uniforms let alone a belt to hold it together. Before the introduction of the belt or ranks in martial arts, many of the traditional Japanese arts between 1600 and 1868 used a complicated Menkyo ranking system to license their students with a certificate or letter to practice and teach the skills of a specific art. These arts ranged from martial arts to calligraphy to the traditional tea ceremony.
During the 1880’s, Professor Jigoro Kano developed Judo. In his new martial art style, he borrowed the ranking system used by the Japanese public schools where belt ranks were used by different athletic groups, most notably for ranking swimmers. The use of belt ranking for the swimmers is deeply rooted in Japan%26#039;s martial arts mystique. The origins of the swimmers belts came from the samurai who, in addition to their training, needed to know how to swim and fight with and without their armor – 3 different swimmer ranks. Thus, in Professor Kano’s first Judo school, the beginnings of the Kyu/Dan (pronounced: q/don) belt ranking system popular today started. Initially, only black or white belts were used to signify rank amongst his students. The belt colors were to recognize which students could take part in which activities. For example: “Best not to throw a student who doesn%26#039;t have the proven ability to handle being thrown.”
The transfer of belt ranking from Judo to Karate came later. Belt colors were very simple in the early days. Students started out as white belts signifying purity and equality among beginners, next came a brown belt and then a black upon Dan ranking. This signified their readiness to begin serious training. The blue, yellow, orange, green, and purple belts that intermediate students wear are thought to have originated in Europe and were at some point imported into the United States martial arts systems during the 1950%26#039;s. Today, most martial art styles have some form of recognition in belts. The number of belts available and the order of color depends on the karate style. Some things haven%26#039;t changed; beginners generally start out as white belts followed by green, brown, and black. Colors in between may vary. Some systems don%26#039;t use all of these colors, and others use colored tape to mark degrees of rank.
For whatever reason the wearing of colored belts evolved from, the wearing of the black belt still represents a significant achievement in both technical skill and in some cases competitive ability. Whatever color your belt is, wear it with pride, dignity and most of all honor, because it represents a long line of tradition, the lineage of the roots of your teacher and your school and your dedication and commitment to yourself and learning martial arts.|||Belt levels are the American method of separating YOU from YOUR MONEY.
In Japan, they have three belts, White, Brown, and Black. It has been alleged that the Japanese belt system actually had more to do with the belt getting dirty over the years.
Regardless, in American systems, you take your belt test, you pay, you get your next belt.
That%26#039;s another reason I like San Soo, you get your belt after time in rank, not by test.|||depends on the style and school.
Also some martial arts have alternatives to belts if they even bother with them at all like muai thai or chines martial arts.
The only system that belt ranks are what they are (you don%26#039;t have black belts that have no fighting ability, as is common in many many martial arts) and if someone is a particular rank then you know they earned it is brazillian jiu jitsu.
EDIT: There are both sides of an argument for or against ranking systems.
It can be good because it gives students a sense of accomplishment so they stay.
It can be bad because the school can be pushed into giving ranks to undeserving students to meet quotas or make the school look better by having more black belts or higher ranking belts.
Personally I don%26#039;t like the ranking Idea and have refused to test in the past in virtually all my arts beyond a certain point because If I ever get into a fight and it is uncovered that I take martial arts and am ranked, It could legally be used against me that I had %26quot;more%26quot; knowledge and should have shown restraint, when in reality, in a real fight, who knows what the hell can happen and I don%26#039;t want to be the victem of the misconception that a martial artist can take on a raging army of 50 giants and not be hurt (thanks hollywood).|||it first varies by the discipline and then by the organization that the school is affiliated with since they all have a small amount of confliction as to how the discipline should be taught. while some schools follow a strict or %26quot;traditional%26quot; code for ranks, others may have a more loose interpretation of it.
some schools will use a number of stripes for %26quot;in between%26quot; belt ranks for more seinor to junior belt ranks while others may just use the next color belt as the rank. the stripes in between usually mean that they are more advanced than the color they are currently wearing but not quite ready for the next rank (ie they may wear a yelloew belt with one orange stripe, meaning they are slightly more advanced than that of someone wearing only a yellow belt)
Most of the disciplines out there have some kind of ranking system to seperate the more advanced students from the junior ranks.|||I have a brown and black belt, bought them at Target.|||In Traditional Shotokan Karate, between each belt, there are from one to two small tape stripes on the end of the belt. It starts from white... to white with a black stripe in the middle of the whole belt... to yellow... to yellow with black... to blue... to blue with black... to green... to green with black... to purple... to purple with black... to brown... to brown with black worn on the outside... to brown with black worn on the inside... to black... and eacn degree of black has a red strip of tape on one end of the belt.|||Belt levels are different in every form of martial arts. They may even be different from school to school even though the forms are the same. The purpose is to show and encourage progress.|||white,yellow,gold,orange,green,red,purpl...|||in WTF taekwondo.
white belt to yellow tag=9th kup (sometimes called gup)
yellow tag to yellow belt=8th kup.
yellow belt to green tag=7th kup.
green tag to green belt=6th kup.
green belt to blue tag=5th kup.
blue tag to blue belt=4th kup.
blue belt to red tag=3rd kup.
red tag to red belt=2nd kup.
red belt to black tag=1st kup.
black tag to black belt=1st dan.
from 1st dan to 2nd dan usually (depending on the organisation) takes 2 years. and from 2nd dan to 3rd dan three years etc. up to a maximum 10th dan in theory but this is usually bestowed on the person as opposed to taking a grading for a life of dedication to the martial arts.|||It depends on the School and not all WTF Taekwondo or similar schools use the same belt system. My school we do a lot more forms than most Taekwondo Schools (40 + forms to get to black belt) So we need more Belts.
White
White Yellow Stripe
White Black Stripe
Yellow
Yellow White Stripe
Yellow Black Stripe
Orange
Orange White Stripe
Orange Black Stripe
Purple
Purple White Stripe
Purple Black Stripe
Green
Green White Stripe
Green Black Stripe
Blue
Blue White Stripe
Blue Black Stripe
Brown
Brown White Stripe
Brown Black Stripe
Red
Red white Stripe
Red Black Stripe
Black
Plus its usually on the average 4-6 months between testings so it takes a long time to get to black. I remember when it took me 2 1/2 years to get from White Belt to Orange Black Stripe and at most schools (McDojangs) they have promoted someone to black belt by then. But that is the average time for my school. That must be the reason we dominate at tournaments.|||it varies by style. traditional okinawan styles are as follows: white, yellow, orange, green, brown, first degree black-eighth degree black. other okinawan styles add the red belt after the black and some stlyes add a purple belt in between the green and brown belts.|||There is a lot of variation. What is standard is that white belt is the lowest, black is the highest %26amp; green is in the middle. Red or brown is usually just before black. In my association, the order is white, yellow, green, purple, brown %26amp; black. Many schools have orange, blue %26amp; red in place of or in addition to yellow, purple %26amp; brown. Some have camo.|||It varies from school to school . Most start with white as the first belt and advance to other colors . Black is not always the final belt either . Here are two examples .
White _ /_ White
Yellow _/_ Purple
Purple _ / _ Blue
Green _ / _ Blue / Green
Blue _/_ Green
Red _/_ Green / Brown
Brown _/_ Brown
Black - 1st through 9th _/_ Brown / Black
Red Sash _/_ Black - 1st through 5th
_________ /_ Red / White
_________ /_ Gold|||Rank Structure for Adults Aikido
Rank Belt Color Training Days Age
White 6 months
Yellow 6 months
5th Kyu Green 6 months
4th Kyu Blue 6 months
3rd Kyu Blue 3 months
2nd Kyu Brown 6 months
1st Kyu Brown 3 months
1st Dan Black 6 months 15
2nd Dan Black
3rd Dan Black
4th Dan Black 22
5th Dan Black 5 years
6th Dan Black 6 years 33
7th Dan Black 12 years 45
8th Dan Black 15 years 60
Rank Structure for Juniors and Children (ages 6 - 13)
Rank Belt Color Training Days Age
10th Kyu Purple 20 6
9th Kyu Yellow 20 7
8th Kyu Orange 30 8
7th Kyu Blue 45 9
6th Kyu Green 60 10
5th Kyu Green 60 11|||Kung Fu is, white, yellow, green, purple, brown, and black. Then you get your degrees which are red stripes on your black belt|||white
yellow
orange
green
brown
black|||Please do not focus on rank. It only has relative value. It changes from style to style and school to school so much that it has no real value.
Too many people are training for the rank instead of training to learn.
Rank means nothing, it is just a method of organization for students.|||Butokukan karate is
white
1st orange
2nd orange
1st purple
2nd purle
1st green
2nd green
3rd green
1st brown
2nd brown
3rd brown
1st black
2nd black
3rd black
4th black
5th black
6th black
7th black
8th black
9th black
10th black
red belt- grand master
10 weeks in between testing if you mess up you have to wait 7 more weeks than the rest of class. takes most 10 years to get to black and you are not allowed to test every time. Sensei will not let you test if he thinks you are ot ready.|||It all depends on the club. I study Karate and my club has ten low level (coloured) grades (Kyu) before reaching the first black belt (Dan) grade. Our highest grade is the 5th Dan chief instructor.
Kyu grades count down while Dan grades count up. So 10th Kyu is the lowested graded level and 1st Kyu is the last grade before black belt 1st Dan.
Our belt colours are:
Ungraded - White
10th Kyu - Red
9th Kyu - Blue
8th Kyu - Purple with white stripe
7th Kyu - Purple
6th Kyu - Yellow
5th Kyu - Orange
4th Kyu - Green with white stripe
3rd Kyu - Green
2nd Kyu - Brown with white stripe
1st Kyu - Brown
1st Dan - Black|||judo(white,yellow,orange,
green,blue,brown,balck belt up to10
dan)also aikido and karate is similar 2 it.
If you get into a street fight would it be better to learn martial arts or boxing?
Say you got in confrontation with someone. He starts getting really physical and you want to beat the hell out of him. He looks reasonably big.
Would you rather be good at boxing or martial arts in this situation. If you say martial arts, which one exactly (jujitsu, kartate, etc.)|||martial arts which by the way does include boxing.but you need to learn a self defence style not a fighting or ring style such as boxing or bjj.|||martial arts blah blah go 2 youtube type in boxing vs martial arts the martial arts guy got pwanded WHY?? cause he was trying 2 grab the boxer...there not gonna let you grab them so its better if you know boxing %26amp; martial arts Report Abuse
|||If you are good at either martial arts or boxing it doesn%26#039;t matter, as long as you hit him with something. It doesn%26#039;t matter if you use a right cross or a front kick, if you strike someone with a good shot, it will have an effect. In my opinion as long as you commit yourself to attacking and move forward with elbows, kicks or punches his body doesn%26#039;t know if it was hit with a technique from karate, boxing or a bat.|||boxing used to be a martial art now it is almost exclusively a sport many other martial arts have gone this way or are going tai chi is sadly very far down a worse road. Personally I would say an escrimador %26quot;or any of the other Filipino arts%26quot; or muay tai meaning muay tai not mma. but still boxing can be a real asset in a fight. the most important thing is the will to act to save your life or the lives of others, with that knowing a fighting style %26quot;including boxing and the other styles I mentioned%26quot; are not always needed|||Learn whatever suits you. Try out a few styles and see what feels most comfortable to you. My friend has naturally quick hands so he does boxing. My legs have always been strong from years of Soccer, so I picked up Muay Thai as a result.
For a street fight, many styles work. Boxing will definitely work, but personally I think for a street fight Kali is the best suited. It teaches you how to quickly disarm someone if they have a weapon. It incorporates close quarter grappling to take someone down. And it is all around a very efficient style.|||Martial Arts.
I have a basic knowledge of it now, and boxing in general seems to be more for sport.
Plus it%26#039;s all about hitting in boxing.... what if you need to do something aside from hit the person?
I think it%26#039;s good to have a well rounded education in martial arts, or to take a self defense class.|||As previously stated boxing is a martial art.As to which one, it would be whatever style i found that had a good instructor, a good school, one i liked and trained hard in, and one that fit me. Anything else beyond these is secondary.|||you could just combine the two and use sanshou or mauy thai. but really the only thing that really wins a fight is fitness and warrior spirit. a very strong fit guy would put the same amount of hurt as a trained boxer.|||You have to be comfortable fighting and maintain a level head. That%26#039;s what%26#039;s best. Your method doesn%26#039;t matter as long as you keep you head about you.
please read the previously asked questions and you will find many answers|||Boxing is a martial art. Martial art means a combative form of fighting. So ANY art including boxing and wrestling would help you if applied well.|||Why not both? Learn boxing and judo for example, that well you have striking and grappling.|||Boxing is a martial art.|||it would be better to learn MMA because it is all types of fighting.|||IMHO a .45 works best.
Would you rather be good at boxing or martial arts in this situation. If you say martial arts, which one exactly (jujitsu, kartate, etc.)|||martial arts which by the way does include boxing.but you need to learn a self defence style not a fighting or ring style such as boxing or bjj.|||martial arts blah blah go 2 youtube type in boxing vs martial arts the martial arts guy got pwanded WHY?? cause he was trying 2 grab the boxer...there not gonna let you grab them so its better if you know boxing %26amp; martial arts Report Abuse
|||If you are good at either martial arts or boxing it doesn%26#039;t matter, as long as you hit him with something. It doesn%26#039;t matter if you use a right cross or a front kick, if you strike someone with a good shot, it will have an effect. In my opinion as long as you commit yourself to attacking and move forward with elbows, kicks or punches his body doesn%26#039;t know if it was hit with a technique from karate, boxing or a bat.|||boxing used to be a martial art now it is almost exclusively a sport many other martial arts have gone this way or are going tai chi is sadly very far down a worse road. Personally I would say an escrimador %26quot;or any of the other Filipino arts%26quot; or muay tai meaning muay tai not mma. but still boxing can be a real asset in a fight. the most important thing is the will to act to save your life or the lives of others, with that knowing a fighting style %26quot;including boxing and the other styles I mentioned%26quot; are not always needed|||Learn whatever suits you. Try out a few styles and see what feels most comfortable to you. My friend has naturally quick hands so he does boxing. My legs have always been strong from years of Soccer, so I picked up Muay Thai as a result.
For a street fight, many styles work. Boxing will definitely work, but personally I think for a street fight Kali is the best suited. It teaches you how to quickly disarm someone if they have a weapon. It incorporates close quarter grappling to take someone down. And it is all around a very efficient style.|||Martial Arts.
I have a basic knowledge of it now, and boxing in general seems to be more for sport.
Plus it%26#039;s all about hitting in boxing.... what if you need to do something aside from hit the person?
I think it%26#039;s good to have a well rounded education in martial arts, or to take a self defense class.|||As previously stated boxing is a martial art.As to which one, it would be whatever style i found that had a good instructor, a good school, one i liked and trained hard in, and one that fit me. Anything else beyond these is secondary.|||you could just combine the two and use sanshou or mauy thai. but really the only thing that really wins a fight is fitness and warrior spirit. a very strong fit guy would put the same amount of hurt as a trained boxer.|||You have to be comfortable fighting and maintain a level head. That%26#039;s what%26#039;s best. Your method doesn%26#039;t matter as long as you keep you head about you.
please read the previously asked questions and you will find many answers|||Boxing is a martial art. Martial art means a combative form of fighting. So ANY art including boxing and wrestling would help you if applied well.|||Why not both? Learn boxing and judo for example, that well you have striking and grappling.|||Boxing is a martial art.|||it would be better to learn MMA because it is all types of fighting.|||IMHO a .45 works best.
What should I know about Chinese martial arts to pick it up?
My girlfriend%26#039;s dad offered to give me free of charge, specialized training in Chinese martial arts (%26#039;I want my daughter to be protected%26#039;). However he did add that his method of training is traditional and %26#039;I will not be going easy on you%26#039;. I%26#039;m keen to take his offer, but are there any basics I need to know about martial arts so I won%26#039;t be too sorely humiliated?|||Lol, there%26#039;s no way you can prepare for a traditional Kung Fu training. And expect to be humiliated. Unlike the modern(read: western) way of training today, traditional chinese training means the methods used will be the old fashioned ways. There will be no short cuts and his word will be law. And sometimes, the old ways includes corporal and physical punishment, endless endurance training and some verbal abuse from your Sifu. The point of this method is to break your spirit down, then rebuild it from scratch again, thereby eliminating any bad habits you might have developed in the past and starting from a clean slate and instill discipline. This usually takes time and a lot of patience and commitment to learn on your part. But if you pass this training, hopefully you%26#039;ll become a strong willed individual who won%26#039;t get easily intimidated or discouraged at the first sign of trouble.|||I have taken chinese martial arts from 2 different masters from china.Both were patient kind helpful and very traditional in the teaching of each step .
Teachers who brutalize their students are usuall inadequate losers who only desire power and abject obediance from those gullible enough to think this is the true way.
Teachers who brutalize their students are usuall inadequate losers who only desire power and abject obediance from those gullible enough to think this is the true way.
Does anyone take martial arts and what kind do you take?
I took ryukyu kenpo karate and shaolin do kung fu. What kind of martial arts do you take and which kind do you think are the best?|||I started in Tae Kwon Do and I hate it when people say they train in it and can%26#039;t spell it right.Currently I do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for MMA and use my TKD back ground for the striking and refined with Muay Thai. I also train with people of various backgrounds.
To me there is no such thing as %26quot;The Best%26quot; martial art. They each have pros and cons. I do believe there are some crap ones out there though|||I teach the Universal System of Self-Defense
Rick
Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc.|||I am currently training in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu which is my main martial art. I have also trained in various other martial arts including BJJ, Chung Do Kwan, Judo and a few others.
There is no best martial art. As martial art%26#039;s effectiveness is determined by the practitioner.|||Yes, i do. I take muay thai kickboxing, grappling, brazilian jiu jitsu, and colle sticks. I think this is the best, usually every kickboxing place will have all these. Muay thai kickboxing uses manyyy different martial arts and combines them. UFC is based on muay thai kickboxing and bjj, so i believe this is the best form of martial arts.|||ive been doing and teaching ma for over 40 years,semi retired now.(i dont teach anymore)but i have done boxing(golden gloves champion)zen do kai karate and bushi kai karate(dai sensei 6th degree)muay thai(trained and fought in thailand)submission wrestling,judo,tkd,akido,various other forms of karate(including kempo),bjj and jjj,chute wrestling and chute karate,praying mantis kung fu and other styles of kung fu,also various weapons style and bits and pieces of other martial arts.i also hold ranks and titles in some of them,not that means anything.
my style is my own based on what ive done and what ive used in real life or death situations.im currently doing tkd which i already was a 1st degree about 12 years ago but ive started again from white belt and i am also doing akido again starting from white belt.|||I began taking Kodekan Jujitsu 16 years ago, since that time I have taken many arts including: Hapkido (kickboxing), Kempo Karate, Kajukenbo, Kali, Escrima, and two forms of Silat. Most recently I have been attending seminars in SiKal with Guru Ken Pannell. The art that he helped develop includes both empty hand and weapons work. Along with this I have been taking Capoeira classes, as they help out my flexibility and fluidity a lot!
I would say that the best art form is the one you come up with. Taking the principal that Bruce Lee made famous with his Jeet Kun Do, that of taking what works for you and eliminating what doesn%26#039;t work.|||I do kyokushin karate ,korean kickbox ( Like muay thai but + trows and you can sweep to) , hapkido
Kyokushin training is rly hard (makes you super strong) the only ting that i mis is fist strikes to head so thats why a started korean kickbox to. In hapkido we do alot of joint locks , some ground fighting and TKD type of kicks.|||For six years I have taken a karate style called Shorinji Ryu( Shaolin Temple Method). I am currently a black belt and also work with weapons such as sai, bo, and tonfa. I am now working as a teacher to teach kids self defense, and have worked on CQC, arnis, and some juijitsu. My current style now is called Ryokukai.|||i take kyokushin karate....a style which is quite practical....builds power and strength. It is full contact. In knockdown tournaments you can kick to the head, body and legs and punch to the body but not the head. It is practical for street fighting and not flash but lacks variation particularly in kicking...think you need something like kick boxing or tae kwon do to compliment it|||I took Aikido for a while. It is probably the martial art with the best philosophy behind it. Protect yourself, but also protect the attacker. This is great cause you can protect yourself and not end up in prison for unintended man slaughter.|||Ju-jitsu but Japanse not Brazilian. It%26#039;s great for close in work; punches, kicks, great (horrible!) locks %26amp; joint manipulation, throws and ground work. Even better if you combine it with a bit of Muay Thai to improve your striking.|||Jeet kune do
the main philosophy of it is do whatever works and you%26#039;re not stuck doing only one technique
it%26#039;s basically organized street fighting and it%26#039;s awesome|||I take Muay Thai at the moment. I don%26#039;t think there are any %26#039;%26#039;best%26#039;%26#039; martial art. But I do think there are more effective ones, and my favorite is Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu.|||take kempo so you can kill people|||I take Shorinji Ryu karate.|||boxing, muay thai, wrestling, bjj, i think the martial art that helps save ur *** is the best kind :)|||the tech guy at my school teaches tai quan do... i take it.
ps i dont know how to spell that
To me there is no such thing as %26quot;The Best%26quot; martial art. They each have pros and cons. I do believe there are some crap ones out there though|||I teach the Universal System of Self-Defense
Rick
Sensei J. Richard Kirkham B.Sc.|||I am currently training in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu which is my main martial art. I have also trained in various other martial arts including BJJ, Chung Do Kwan, Judo and a few others.
There is no best martial art. As martial art%26#039;s effectiveness is determined by the practitioner.|||Yes, i do. I take muay thai kickboxing, grappling, brazilian jiu jitsu, and colle sticks. I think this is the best, usually every kickboxing place will have all these. Muay thai kickboxing uses manyyy different martial arts and combines them. UFC is based on muay thai kickboxing and bjj, so i believe this is the best form of martial arts.|||ive been doing and teaching ma for over 40 years,semi retired now.(i dont teach anymore)but i have done boxing(golden gloves champion)zen do kai karate and bushi kai karate(dai sensei 6th degree)muay thai(trained and fought in thailand)submission wrestling,judo,tkd,akido,various other forms of karate(including kempo),bjj and jjj,chute wrestling and chute karate,praying mantis kung fu and other styles of kung fu,also various weapons style and bits and pieces of other martial arts.i also hold ranks and titles in some of them,not that means anything.
my style is my own based on what ive done and what ive used in real life or death situations.im currently doing tkd which i already was a 1st degree about 12 years ago but ive started again from white belt and i am also doing akido again starting from white belt.|||I began taking Kodekan Jujitsu 16 years ago, since that time I have taken many arts including: Hapkido (kickboxing), Kempo Karate, Kajukenbo, Kali, Escrima, and two forms of Silat. Most recently I have been attending seminars in SiKal with Guru Ken Pannell. The art that he helped develop includes both empty hand and weapons work. Along with this I have been taking Capoeira classes, as they help out my flexibility and fluidity a lot!
I would say that the best art form is the one you come up with. Taking the principal that Bruce Lee made famous with his Jeet Kun Do, that of taking what works for you and eliminating what doesn%26#039;t work.|||I do kyokushin karate ,korean kickbox ( Like muay thai but + trows and you can sweep to) , hapkido
Kyokushin training is rly hard (makes you super strong) the only ting that i mis is fist strikes to head so thats why a started korean kickbox to. In hapkido we do alot of joint locks , some ground fighting and TKD type of kicks.|||For six years I have taken a karate style called Shorinji Ryu( Shaolin Temple Method). I am currently a black belt and also work with weapons such as sai, bo, and tonfa. I am now working as a teacher to teach kids self defense, and have worked on CQC, arnis, and some juijitsu. My current style now is called Ryokukai.|||i take kyokushin karate....a style which is quite practical....builds power and strength. It is full contact. In knockdown tournaments you can kick to the head, body and legs and punch to the body but not the head. It is practical for street fighting and not flash but lacks variation particularly in kicking...think you need something like kick boxing or tae kwon do to compliment it|||I took Aikido for a while. It is probably the martial art with the best philosophy behind it. Protect yourself, but also protect the attacker. This is great cause you can protect yourself and not end up in prison for unintended man slaughter.|||Ju-jitsu but Japanse not Brazilian. It%26#039;s great for close in work; punches, kicks, great (horrible!) locks %26amp; joint manipulation, throws and ground work. Even better if you combine it with a bit of Muay Thai to improve your striking.|||Jeet kune do
the main philosophy of it is do whatever works and you%26#039;re not stuck doing only one technique
it%26#039;s basically organized street fighting and it%26#039;s awesome|||I take Muay Thai at the moment. I don%26#039;t think there are any %26#039;%26#039;best%26#039;%26#039; martial art. But I do think there are more effective ones, and my favorite is Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu.|||take kempo so you can kill people|||I take Shorinji Ryu karate.|||boxing, muay thai, wrestling, bjj, i think the martial art that helps save ur *** is the best kind :)|||the tech guy at my school teaches tai quan do... i take it.
ps i dont know how to spell that
What form of martial arts is the best for sword contact?
I would like to be a sword bearer. and i would also like know which type of martial arts is the best for it.|||Hi.
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Two Japanese sword styles that have contact are Kendo and Kenjutsu.
Kendo is a sport and uses bamboo practice swords called Shinai. This style is sometimes referred to as Japanese fencing.
Kenjutsu is a more comprehensive Japanese sword art that teaches techniques against a variety of weapons. Contact is made in a variety of sparring sets that use Bokuto (practice wooden samurai swords often called %26#039;bokkens%26#039; in America). You will also learn techniques using a real sword as you become more advanced.
Japanese styles like Iaido and Iaijutsu probably won鈥檛 have contact but are still very respectable sword arts.
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In European fencing you will make plenty of sword to sword contact however this style is a sport.
As others have suggested, medieval re-enactment groups are also an option if you can find one.
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Many styles of Kung Fu have a great deal of training with swords (primarily the broad sword and straight sword). Of these some will have sword on weapon (another sword, spear, etc...) contact. You will have to visit these schools and ask them what kind of weapons training they do to see if it%26#039;s what you want to do as that type of training may not be inherently taught.
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I hope this helps and good luck finding a place to train :)|||What do you want to use it for? Kendo (in my experience ) does have a lot of contact but since it鈥檚 digressed into the realm of sport it stresses reshiki (manners) and not realistic things to do with a sword. Which leads me to ask; what kind of sword and what are you planning to do with it? I鈥檓 all about defining martial goals. It really does lead you to exactly the art and instructors you鈥檙e looking for. I think Kempo_jujitsu77 is right in that you might try medieval re-enactment groups. Lots of contact there, lots of different weapon types. Some of them even move at real combative speed and hit with lots of force.|||if you want real contact....kendo. if you just want to go through the motions...kenjutsu...iaido...many others.
you might also consider western fencing.
there are also some re-enactment groups teaching midievel martial arts.
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Two Japanese sword styles that have contact are Kendo and Kenjutsu.
Kendo is a sport and uses bamboo practice swords called Shinai. This style is sometimes referred to as Japanese fencing.
Kenjutsu is a more comprehensive Japanese sword art that teaches techniques against a variety of weapons. Contact is made in a variety of sparring sets that use Bokuto (practice wooden samurai swords often called %26#039;bokkens%26#039; in America). You will also learn techniques using a real sword as you become more advanced.
Japanese styles like Iaido and Iaijutsu probably won鈥檛 have contact but are still very respectable sword arts.
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In European fencing you will make plenty of sword to sword contact however this style is a sport.
As others have suggested, medieval re-enactment groups are also an option if you can find one.
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Many styles of Kung Fu have a great deal of training with swords (primarily the broad sword and straight sword). Of these some will have sword on weapon (another sword, spear, etc...) contact. You will have to visit these schools and ask them what kind of weapons training they do to see if it%26#039;s what you want to do as that type of training may not be inherently taught.
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I hope this helps and good luck finding a place to train :)|||What do you want to use it for? Kendo (in my experience ) does have a lot of contact but since it鈥檚 digressed into the realm of sport it stresses reshiki (manners) and not realistic things to do with a sword. Which leads me to ask; what kind of sword and what are you planning to do with it? I鈥檓 all about defining martial goals. It really does lead you to exactly the art and instructors you鈥檙e looking for. I think Kempo_jujitsu77 is right in that you might try medieval re-enactment groups. Lots of contact there, lots of different weapon types. Some of them even move at real combative speed and hit with lots of force.|||if you want real contact....kendo. if you just want to go through the motions...kenjutsu...iaido...many others.
you might also consider western fencing.
there are also some re-enactment groups teaching midievel martial arts.
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