Friday, May 21, 2010

Does everyone who does martial arts think tae kwon do is a joke?

The only people I know that respect TKD are people that don%26#039;t do any kind or martial arts or do TKD. I haven%26#039;t met a black belt with more good things to say about tae kwon do than bad apart from TKD black belts. Maybe it is just my area. Do other people think this? and why is this?|||I can%26#039;t answer for everyone so I%26#039;m sorry that I will not be able to give a completely acurate answer. However, Joe Rogan (who might not be the best source, but he gets a lot of exposure out to the MMA world) has repeatedly said that Tae Kwon Do is a worthless martial art that has no buiness being in a fight. And since he won the US Open Tae Kwon Do Grand Championship (which means he won his weight class and then beat the other weight class champions) at the age of 19, he might actually know a thing or two about what he is speaking of. To me, it is pretty bad when a practicioner and a Champion will not defend his own martial art.|||Stereotypes exist. And the stereotype for TKD is that it is crap.


Does this mean that TKD is crap? No. But there are a lot of very poor TKD practitioners out there and they continue to pump out 2-year black belts at schools all over the place.


There may be a good teacher, a good school, a tough TKD black belt, etc in your area but the odds are that that isnt the case.


Personally, if you are a beginner, I would avoid TKD because you probably wont know good from bad and with the odds the way they are, you will probably get stuck with a useless black belt a few years down the road.|||if one hasn%26#039;t tried it for themselves, then how could they have any opinion on it? what others think is of far less value to you than what YOU think!!! i train in ninpo and have no opinion about TKD. all i know is it involves a lot of kicking and is very popular. i have many tkd friends on my myspace page, if you%26#039;re on myspace add me!!!





http://www.myspace.com/allstarmats|||TKD isn%26#039;t much of a martial art, yet however more of a sport. TKD was based to used to kick off people fighting over horses, in some old war. It is not much of a self-defense art, and is more %26quot;show%26quot; than %26quot;martial%26quot;.|||The only people I know who disrespect anything are wannabes with a chip on their shoulders. If you were truly content with what you%26#039;re doing, you wouldn%26#039;t feel the need to go look in others%26#039; backyards to find fault there. Heck, if people are happy doing Tai-Chi, I say more power to them. Why do you have this need to denigrate what others are doing?|||People do not respect Tae Kwon Do as much as other martial arts because their fight in real life situation is almost non-practical. (Some might argue. Of course it%26#039;s better than learning nothing.)


And it became less of fighting and more of sports.


Plus, TKD is being criticized because of its popularity.


I%26#039;m sure if some other not-too-practical martial art was as popular as TKD, they would criticize that martial arts too.|||The reason why many people have this perception is because most American martial artists that don%26#039;t study TKD don鈥檛 KNOW TKD.





First, there are two major division of TKD. (Three if you count the ATA, but nobody but the ATA counts the ATA) Anyway, The World Taekwondo Federation and the International Taekwondo Federation are the two powerhouses. The WTF (World Taekwondo Federation) id all but devoted to the %26#039;SPORT%26#039; of TKD. They are more analogues to Boxing then Karate. Most of their techniques are geared towards Olympic TKD matches rather then street combat.





That said, the modern myth is that TKD lacks power because it%26#039;s all about points. The fact is the Olympic TKD permits kicks to the head and full power kicks and punches to the body. Many TKD fighters get knocked out is fights and many more get kicked senseless. Compare this to most American karate schools that only permit light to no contact. Furthermore, most non-TKD practitioners hear %26#039;point%26#039; and assume that this means that each time someone gets a point scored against them the match is stopped and the fighters lineup again. This is also false. TKD bouts go for 3 minutes non-stop. Points are counted by the judges and uses to determine the winner at the end of the vout...Assuming someone doesn鈥檛 get knocked out.





On the other hand, there is the ITF (International Taekwondo Federation). The sparring in these schools IS more of the karate light contact, point oriented sparing as found in MANY modern karate schools. However, more attention is spent on forms, self-defense and one steps then sparring. The founder of the ITF was a south Korean general and a well known advocate of personal self-defense.





As for the ATA, they are a fairly large group that broke from traditional TKD in 1969 for a numbe of unverifiable reasons. Haeng Ung Lee then created his own set of forms and copyrighted them so no one else could use his forms without having a school under his umbrella organization. (Since it is common practice for advanced black belts to open their own schools Haeng Ung Lee made certain that any black belt that did so would have to, by law, pay him royalties. Furthermore, belt are awarded at a very quick rate and belt tests are held more frequently then most other styles of MA, so many people consider them a belt factory. (Me included)





Still, one thing is certain, if you look at most serious (none belt factory) TKD schools, you will find that their training IS rigorous and they are tremendous athletes. Are they on par with other schools of self-defense when it comes to street fighting... NO! Then again, that%26#039;s why most TKD black belts take up other arts such as Hapkido or Tang Soo Do. Then again, many black belts from other styles take up WTF TKD so they can get into the Olympic games or just compete in WTF tournaments.





What is interesting is how many skilled black belts from other styles take up WTF TKD and realize early on it%26#039;s not as easy or lightweight as they originally believed. Trust me, it%26#039;s wasn%26#039;t my first style and it is not my primary style, but when I started I thought, this will be easy...It wasn%26#039;t!





I hope this helps.|||Some do and some don%26#039;t. It%26#039;s all subjective.|||I haven%26#039;t met a real martial artist yet that honestly bashes any other style. Period. They may bash schools, instructors, etc., but never a style.|||I have never heard this, in or around the Martial Arts School that my Grandson goes to...So, to answer your question....NO|||From a fighting perspective - TKD focuses far too much on extending the legs. This is a VERY bad idea when dealing with someone trained. You can be taken down very easily





From a general health perspective - TKD, like most other martial arts, is a great way to maintain good physique/flexibility well into old age. One thing alot of people forget is that it is an %26#039;art%26#039; . Many martial arts aren%26#039;t exactly meant for fighting, but rather for displays.|||because tkd training methods are more akin to a game rather than a real fight.





im not saying you can%26#039;t apply some of the techniques to a real fight, or modify the art to use it realistically.





however as it is taught by the majority of dojangs, it is more like a game that operates under its own rules and trains specifically for its own rules.





you can use a football tackle to take someone to the ground, however in no way is football considered to be a martial art.





the point sparring methods and rules used by tkdists are unrealistic and can actually make you a worse fighter than if you had no training as it encourages %26quot;racing for the point%26quot; since they don%26#039;t need to worry about counterpunching as they are broken apart after one person hits.





real hits like punches to the head and kicks below the waist are excluded (you cannot kick the supporting leg).





people who don%26#039;t do tkd, generally don%26#039;t know the difference because they aren%26#039;t involved in ma and probably wouldn%26#039;t have been exposed to this or someone that did tkd to watch them spar and know what is going on.





I%26#039;m sure out there somewhere someone teaches a more practical application of tkd, but I haven%26#039;t seen it. Most of what I have seen is tkdists applying techniques from tkd, but in a more realistic context when blended with boxing or something else.|||No. I do Isshinryu and have seen good Taekwondo dojangs. The bad one%26#039;s though outweigh the good in number of schools and number of students put onto the streets with blackbelts. Because there are a large number of Taekwondo blackbelts who can%26#039;t defend themselves very well, I come down hard on many Taekwondo blackbelts. Also though, I%26#039;ve seen good Taekwondo schools, with students who learn self defense, but these aren%26#039;t the McDojo/Blackbelt factories the others are. They are as rare as a blackbelt in any other specific school of Karate, be it Goju-ryu, Isshinryu, or Shotokan.|||It depends on the user. Long range is a HUGELY exploitable advantage that only so many people know how to use. Your average joe in TKD is probably going to beat up an average guy, but not a trained person.|||TKD is effective against a normal person, but to fight in TKD professionally it is only effective against others in the same sport. A lot of modern TKD movements are basic and built on a point system. The is no true ground work in TKD; if you have ever been in street fight the ground is where the fight usually goes to. I have taken TKD and others. Someone just starting out in a martial art TKD can be very benefical.


If you are wanting to learn some to protect yourself from an attacker... I would recommend Krav Maga or Commando Krav Maga which is taught to FBI, CIA and other elite forces.


If you want to go professiona and get into a form MMA I would start out with Brazilian Jui Juistu(BJJ).|||martial arts need to stop being so asian. they are racist.

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